Emirates Relief Pilots
04-21-2011, 12:32 PM
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At EK the work rules are very different than the USA. Two pilot crews can be used for flights as long as 10 hours in some circumstances. Duty time is often the determining factor, not flight time. Duty time limits are driven by the start time of the duty; whether one is acclimatized to the time zone; the number of sectors to be flown; and the length of the sectors.
That all said, EK use two pilots for flights up to 9-10 hours then 3 pilots for flights up to 13 -14 hours and 4 pilots for flights over 13-14. A 3 pilot crew is 1 Captain and 2 First Officers. A 4 pilot crew is 2 Captains and 2 First Officers.
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That all said, EK use two pilots for flights up to 9-10 hours then 3 pilots for flights up to 13 -14 hours and 4 pilots for flights over 13-14. A 3 pilot crew is 1 Captain and 2 First Officers. A 4 pilot crew is 2 Captains and 2 First Officers.
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04-21-2011, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
Isn't that extremely fatiguing for a 2 pilot crew on a 10 hour flight?
Choice b) Six 1-hr long sectors with an FDP of 14 hours followed by 8 hrs rest.
I'll take 'a' every time.
04-22-2011, 12:45 AM
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04-22-2011, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Anderson
Isn't that extremely fatiguing for a 2 pilot crew on a 10 hour flight?
04-23-2011, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldTraveler
Actually, I was looking for places that use non type rated relief pilots at a lower pay rate. I was curious as to how low the bar was that we were competing against.
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04-23-2011, 08:21 AM
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All of our F/O's are type rated...on the B744, we staff as below:
up to 8 hours...1 CA and 1 FO
8 - 12 hours...1 CA and 2 FOs
> 12 hours...1 CA and 3 FOs.
However, in almost 2 years on the 400, I have only flown 2-3 sectors with just 2 pilots, even on flights less than 8 hours, due to our rest, duty, flight time, etc in our CBA. Flights like ANC to ORD, FRA to DXB, BKK to PVG, etc are staffed with 1 CA and 2 FOs.
And many times, on ULH flights I have been the only FO.
because of availability of rested FOs in the right places.
up to 8 hours...1 CA and 1 FO
8 - 12 hours...1 CA and 2 FOs
> 12 hours...1 CA and 3 FOs.
However, in almost 2 years on the 400, I have only flown 2-3 sectors with just 2 pilots, even on flights less than 8 hours, due to our rest, duty, flight time, etc in our CBA. Flights like ANC to ORD, FRA to DXB, BKK to PVG, etc are staffed with 1 CA and 2 FOs.
And many times, on ULH flights I have been the only FO.
because of availability of rested FOs in the right places.
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