Best Chinese airlines
10-26-2013, 06:23 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
I was wondering if anyone has experience working for a Chinese airline ? Particularly for a non rated pilot
I'm currently a regional f/o , no real turbine pic, any hope at all?
I'm currently a regional f/o , no real turbine pic, any hope at all?
10-26-2013, 05:05 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
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I was based at a high end beach resort on Hainan Island. More and more big yachts and private jets - that never move. Ever. I am not sure that both weren't just elaborate ways for the Chinese to move money offshore.
To fly a private aircraft, they have to submit a REQUEST and flight plan more than 36 hours prior, and they are often denied. It is currently not a very flexible way for a Chinese billionaire to move himself around.
It was even dumber for the yachts. To go to Shanghai, they had to stop and check in to immigration in every province along the way, and take aboard a ship pilot from that province.
The company I worked for also had an executive jet operation for more than 15 years. The local pilots I worked with all wanted to work for that subsidiary, because they almost never flew.
Someday maybe private jets will be big in China, but that day is not today. That doesn't mean they won't buy a bunch, and even hire a few pilots. You have to live in China to understand.
On second thought, I still don't understand. Not even close.
To fly a private aircraft, they have to submit a REQUEST and flight plan more than 36 hours prior, and they are often denied. It is currently not a very flexible way for a Chinese billionaire to move himself around.
It was even dumber for the yachts. To go to Shanghai, they had to stop and check in to immigration in every province along the way, and take aboard a ship pilot from that province.
The company I worked for also had an executive jet operation for more than 15 years. The local pilots I worked with all wanted to work for that subsidiary, because they almost never flew.
Someday maybe private jets will be big in China, but that day is not today. That doesn't mean they won't buy a bunch, and even hire a few pilots. You have to live in China to understand.
On second thought, I still don't understand. Not even close.
12-29-2013, 09:52 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B744F CA
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by Probe
I was based at a high end beach resort on Hainan Island. More and more big yachts and private jets - that never move. Ever. I am not sure that both weren't just elaborate ways for the Chinese to move money offshore.
To fly a private aircraft, they have to submit a REQUEST and flight plan more than 36 hours prior, and they are often denied. It is currently not a very flexible way for a Chinese billionaire to move himself around.
It was even dumber for the yachts. To go to Shanghai, they had to stop and check in to immigration in every province along the way, and take aboard a ship pilot from that province.
The company I worked for also had an executive jet operation for more than 15 years. The local pilots I worked with all wanted to work for that subsidiary, because they almost never flew.
Someday maybe private jets will be big in China, but that day is not today. That doesn't mean they won't buy a bunch, and even hire a few pilots. You have to live in China to understand.
On second thought, I still don't understand. Not even close.
To fly a private aircraft, they have to submit a REQUEST and flight plan more than 36 hours prior, and they are often denied. It is currently not a very flexible way for a Chinese billionaire to move himself around.
It was even dumber for the yachts. To go to Shanghai, they had to stop and check in to immigration in every province along the way, and take aboard a ship pilot from that province.
The company I worked for also had an executive jet operation for more than 15 years. The local pilots I worked with all wanted to work for that subsidiary, because they almost never flew.
Someday maybe private jets will be big in China, but that day is not today. That doesn't mean they won't buy a bunch, and even hire a few pilots. You have to live in China to understand.
On second thought, I still don't understand. Not even close.
All of these Chinese airlines need experienced foreign captains but in my opinion, they and most of the contract companies go about finding and hiring in a very "discombobulated" way......A lot of that is the constraints of the CAAC and Chinese culture. But most of it is just disorganization and very poor communication......
Look for that to change however as they gradually realize what they need to do to compete against the other big foreign airlines that are hiring. Some of the gigs here are really a good deal but right now you have to be the right sort of person to put up with immense bull****, incompetence and delay during the recruitment/training process. I think the private carriers here are starting to wake up to Western expectations, slowly but surely. But you must only come if you are a type rated captain with lots of experience and the ability to navigate the "Wild West"!
And yes, The longer I live in China, the less I understand it!
12-31-2013, 02:17 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by pierre66
Probe, great insight on the China private aircraft/yacht situation. I see SO MANY beautiful new Gulfstreams, Falcons, etc. that JUST SIT. Some of the guys I have flown with over here have gone to Deer, BAA and others just so they can get a cool biz jet type and then sit around at decent pay.
All of these Chinese airlines need experienced foreign captains but in my opinion, they and most of the contract companies go about finding and hiring in a very "discombobulated" way......A lot of that is the constraints of the CAAC and Chinese culture. But most of it is just disorganization and very poor communication......
Look for that to change however as they gradually realize what they need to do to compete against the other big foreign airlines that are hiring. Some of the gigs here are really a good deal but right now you have to be the right sort of person to put up with immense bull****, incompetence and delay during the recruitment/training process. I think the private carriers here are starting to wake up to Western expectations, slowly but surely. But you must only come if you are a type rated captain with lots of experience and the ability to navigate the "Wild West"!
And yes, The longer I live in China, the less I understand it!
All of these Chinese airlines need experienced foreign captains but in my opinion, they and most of the contract companies go about finding and hiring in a very "discombobulated" way......A lot of that is the constraints of the CAAC and Chinese culture. But most of it is just disorganization and very poor communication......
Look for that to change however as they gradually realize what they need to do to compete against the other big foreign airlines that are hiring. Some of the gigs here are really a good deal but right now you have to be the right sort of person to put up with immense bull****, incompetence and delay during the recruitment/training process. I think the private carriers here are starting to wake up to Western expectations, slowly but surely. But you must only come if you are a type rated captain with lots of experience and the ability to navigate the "Wild West"!
And yes, The longer I live in China, the less I understand it!
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