CousinEddie

Is the picture at the beginning of the article a bit symbolic?

http://www.economist.com/news/busine...ness-here-come

PotatoChip

JEEZUS H....
Only page three and tons of misinformation, nonsense and threats.
Do everyone a favor, before you get all bent out of shape over this, actually know what you are talking about.
Norwegian will not be in your jumpseat. They will not be commuting on your metal. If they do, it will be because they bought a full fare ticket. Are you going to deny them then? Good luck with that.
Undercutting everyone? Hardly. They pay more than Sun Country CA's Year 1-4 (which is an ALPA carrier!!) and more than Miami Air CA's year 1-5! (Another union represented carrier, IBT). So please, GMAFB.
I'm not applying, and I don't know what this change in the future, but please, do a little research before you post nonsense.

teddyballgame

This particular point has historical resonance.

One of the things that "saved" Frank Lorenzo in the 1983 TXI/CAL strike was the surplus of pilots on the marketplace at the time.

In particular, the former Braniff pilots, who were the first group to have had a major airline sink out from under them after deregulation (through absolutely no fault of their own).

Although some had been lucky enough to catch on with other majors (like original Piedmont), or at least find other gainful employment, many others had been out of work 16 months by the time the opportunity to go to Continental -- for many, as off-the-street 727 captains -- presented itself.

So, by that time, the "What's ALPA done for me lately?" sentiment was fairly prevalent.

Even then-ALPA president Hank Duffy conceded years later that, "The Braniff pilots were pushing each other out of the way to get in". (Source: "Flying The Line II", Chapter 14.)

Although most of us certainly don't condone their actions, it doesn't take too much introspection to at least see their point of view, at the time.

When it comes to the piloting profession, never underestimate the power of "Me".

David Puddy

I completely agree with this. How much does Miami, Swift or Sun Country pay their dedicated pilots? Not much relative to the legacies! How about focusing some attention on those low-paying operators as well?

To be clear, I am not defending the NAI wage levels - they are low for the aircraft type and base. However, given their cheap operating model ($69 one way fares to Europe????), those wage levels don't surprise me that much... NAI/UK may work for some people, but with that ultra-low cost model where every dollar counts, high salaries should not be expected.

Andy

Thank you for self-appointing yourself as the thread monitor. Did you get any response from OSM yet? I take it you've filled out an app there.

Andy

Precisely, what are you expecting pilots to do about those operators?

Riverside

Last time I checked the company owns the plane. If you want to start a jumpseat war be my guest.

CBreezy

The company owns the plane and the revenue seats. The Captain owns the Jumpseat. A Jumpseat agreement is a 4 way agreement between the unions and companies as to who is allowed to ride in the Jumpseat. The only people who can't be denied are company-assigned personnel and Feds.

Why do you think the company would care if someone denied a Jumpseat to a OAL guy?

Half wing

Uh, no. Captain has final say who gets or doesn't get the jump seat.

Andy

There needs to be a reciprocal jumpseat agreement first. I don't show any agreements in place with NAI and I don't expect to see one anytime soon.

But seriously, jumpseat war with NAI? IF (big if) there's a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with NAI, you can bet on NAI pilots getting denied a ride frequently.