PrettyFlyGuy

I see guys on here daily posting that people who don’t fly for a Major are basically lesser qualified pilots. But as of recently I have seen my neighbor who is in his 30’s with 2 DUIs(one over 10 years old) and a checkride failure get hired at United(737). Yet my Buddy has a flawless record with great gpa over 1000TPIC 121, 3 types and internal recs for days(including a parent on mainline) who can’t even get a call. He’s not the only one. Plus Delta is hiring 2500 hr millennial regional FO’s whose only PIC time is in a 152 and really have no experience to stand on(acquaintance of mine). I have jumpseated back and forth to Alaska dozens of times on mainline cockpits and I never saw anything special with those guys. If anything I was a bit disappointed in the professionalism as a young pilot aiming for bigger opportunities. So where does your mindset come from? Am I missing something?

CrispyBacon

You answered your own question. Those high qualified pilots get skipped long enough, they go to cargo and corporate. What is so hard to comprehend?

Jetlife

And that right there is it...

135 guys think that the only requirement to get hired, are the hourly requirements listed in the job posting. They apply once, wait to get hired, only the call never comes. Or they get an interview with one or multiple airlines, and they can never get hired. They continue though still questioning why they didn't get hired. They met the requirements right?! Most of those guys have personality issues or some other underlying issue that the airlines don't want.

I flew with a bunch of guys in the 135 world like that, as we probably all have.

fooled2x

So it takes 15+ years to upgrade in the Phenom while a CL-300/350 takes less than 5 years or the guy that PM'd me about the Gulfstream CA that started less than one year ago?

WT, why isn't anybody bidding out of the Phenom then?

WiskeyTango

Well 5 years for a challenger doesn’t sounds right. Not anymore anyway. Things were a bit weird before the seniority lists were merged, but now it’s all one pilot group.

The Gulfstreams are staffed differently. Not seniority based. You apply and interview and theoretically anyone at any seniority level can get the slot. So yes, there are junior pilots flying the Gulfstream.

ThomasMagnum

And in this industry, that is absolutely ridiculous. Jetlife hit the nail on the head.

PassportPlump

As a former regional pilot converting to Delta I can say with certainty that Delta is a great place to work. Do we have our issues? Yes. Are they first world problems? Absolutely (guys trying to figure out what to do with excess 401k money beyond $55,000 limit to still allow them a tax vehicle).

Comparing my schedule, vacation, sick, disability, paycheck, and benefits to my friends at FlexJet and NetJets is apples and oranges.

So yeah there is a big difference between the two career/lifestyles. To each his own. As for Delta hiring 2500 hour millennials, that is rare. However we are hiring 24-60 year old pilots. Diversifying.

In my role at Delta I do a lot of work with new hire pilots as well as fly the line. I see absolutely zero issues with any of the people we are hiring right now. If anything, we have had issues in the past with the 17,000 hour Compass flow who came here virtually brain dead with a terrible attitude.

I’d take the 25 year old with 2500 hours and a willingness to learn the Delta way any day. Just wanted to add some facts to the speculative conversation.

As you were......

Atem McBo

First time poster, long time reader here.

As Flexjet has a large order for Gulfstreams, what is the criteria for a new hire getting that?

What is the typical schedule for the Gulfstream?

Is pay different as well?

If any Gulfstream drivers are on here, please feel free to PM me. I am just looking for facts here people. I am really not looking for union this, union that, scab here, scab there, a$$ kisser him, brown noser her, etc. I am sure you get the point.

Thanks and good luck to all.

FLYLOW22

Sounds like a pilot retention issue.

The most marketable are leaving. Gulfstream.


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ThomasMagnum

You’re hired!