I wondered where so many ex-EAL senior pilots went, now I know. We had some winners, too. Like the captain who told male passengers leav8ng, “keep in your pants, sir.” Or the guy with the wood chipper.

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There were a lot, and I mean a LOT, of Alex Jones supporters and believers as well. They'd tune him up on the HF and extol his wisdom whether you wanted to hear it or not.

Okay, NJA has MORE than average nuts. Been in 4 fleets this is from 1 fleet.

-“Cuban” talked about before, scraping wingtips, crashing 80K race cars, turning wrong way
-“Columbian”. Barely spoke English and has not met a limitation he didn’t think was made to be broken
-“The Bird”. Fatigued three to four times a week. That’s the only thing that made him safe. Overt racist and buried guns stock side up in backyard(claimed harder for Obama to find them)
-“Hunter”. Big game hunter, carries 8x10 glossies of his kills including Zebras and such. Lived in his moms basement, couldn’t figure out why that kept him from dating.
-“Rico”. Self professed ladies man, slept with anything and anyone who crossed his path.
-“Trumpet” traveled with a trumpet and LOVED to play it on airplane waiting for pax.
-“In N Out”. This dude was so bad the FAA pulled his file and he failed a 709 ride. No longer employed.
-“Preacher”. Self professed preacher who claims the earth is 2K years old and they faked the moon landing. Also claimed that Obama set up a Concentration Camp in MT.
-at least five total preppers. Always easy to find by looking at footwear. Usually sported black boots for easy of getaway in case the earth ended
-“Philly”. Former military guy who was so bad he only flew about 60 hours a year as even the company tried to keep him under control.
-“Old Man” one of the oldest pilots around. Was night blind and refused to admit it. Every time he sat down the smell of diapers went through the cockpit.
-“smoker” he likes to smoke on airplanes, switched to vaping but that didn’t help as he used vanilla bean vape. Always vaping.

That’s one fleet. Wait till you hear who was in the senior fleet.....

That sounds like a comic book theme pitch. True or not, that's good writing!

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LMAO!

I was there for a looong time. There were a few odd ducks like there are anywhere, but fortunately I never flew with anyone like those described above. Ninety percent were great people and great pilots.

Sleepy- - Fell asleep in the cockpit at the drop of a hat. Cruise, top of descent, at the hold short line...whenever. Dozens of pics out there. Personally referred him to FDAC, whitewashed back to the line.

Thumper - - As we flew over the Grand Canyon, he told me (with a straight face) “you know, there are scientists who say it’s possible the Colorado river could have cut the Canyon in as few as 600 years...” Air Force ring knocker with 26 years of service and retired as an O-4?

Kaiser - - Teutonic go-getter that I watched completely disassemble, repair, and reassemble a defective cabin seat. To be fair, he was an A&P. He also insisted water was only for “washing your teeth.”

The Tick - - Former pilot of one of NJ’s earliest and biggest “fractionalized” customers. Thought his stuff smelled sweeter than most and had a unique knack for pi$$ing off FA’s, co-pilots, waitresses and hotel clerks beyond anyone I’ve ever seen before.

The Mercenary - - Viet Nam helicopter pilot that volunteered for THREE combat tours in country despite being shot down multiple times and then flew as a merc in the Belgian Congo war. Loves showing his bullet wound scars on his arms. Still flogging it in his 70’s and almost universally despised by co-pilots.

Just a few of the more “colorful” characters I’ve experienced sprinkled among some of the coolest and best pilots I’ve ever worked with.

Ugh, the nonstop political guys are exhausting. There was one guy in the Excel who just wasn't capable of having a conversation, or talking about anything else other than his right-wing talking points. Initially I thought he wanted to debate, but no... he just wanted to rant. On, and on, and on.

I finally just switched off the intercom on a long flight after about half an hour of this, and every time I looked over, he was still talking and gesturing wildly, all to himself. He didn't notice that I was no longer part of the conversation. For three hours. :o

Would you be speaking about CH resident conspiracy wack job from sfo?

LOL, no, I know who you're talking about but I never had the "pleasure." This one lives in Vegas.

He's also incapable of picking up the "I need to leave" social cue. He'll corner you and just keep talking. You can literally say, "I need to leave, my passengers are here," and it won't register. You have to get up and walk away from him while he's still talking, or you'll be there all day.

If my memory serves me correctly that was a guy from up in the Northeast. I think the wife/victim was a FA for Pan Am or something.


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“The Rug” - (wore a horrible toupee) turned around and grabbed a FAs breast in the cockpit. Said he didn’t see her standing there. Failed so many checkrides, Flight Safety called in the feds... they pulled his license in the sim before he ever advanced the throttles for takeoff.

“Nature Boy” - also known as the “juicer”. Ex Delta fruitcake from SLC who walked into the TEB Hilton breakfast wearing a speedo and flip flops. Vegan/holistic medicine man, only drank carrot and tomato juice. Tried to land at the wrong airport twice... forced to retire.


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"26 Steve" - flew with a guy who had a record of being on the road for 26 straight days. When we flew he was on day 9 and was so ****ed off when scheduling sent him home (day 10 was going to be Labor Day).

"The Tank" - used to bring a gaming computer (NOT A LAPTOP) on the road and hook it up to an FBO monitor to play World of Tanks during sits.

"50 cent" - used to tip drivers $0.50

"Backpack Gary" - didn't bring a rollerbag on the road, just a backpack. Only wore 1 uniform for the week and would wash it in his hotel sink every night.

"Brill Lyle" - was convinced that the company had tried using his Ipad to monitor him in his hotel room (this was during the contract negotiations). Would leave his Ipad with the front desk of the hotel on overnights. Would subsequently get to the airport with an Ipad that was low on battery.

Honestly the best thread ever. At least Gary washed his shirt.

What a jackass. Reminds me of the $2 Bill guy in the Excel. He'd get stacks of them, giving $2 when everyone else gave $5. "It's great, they think it's a $20 and don't realize it until I'm long gone!" :rolleyes:

"The Tank" has to be my favorite. I was a gamer when I was at NetJets and I've played at a lot at FBO's. But I had a $2000 gaming laptop that did just fine. Intel i7 with Nvidia 970M CPU. I can't even begin to imagine dragging a desktop system on the road. That's totally nuts. It's easy to bring cables if you want to hook the laptop up to an external monitor.

I came here to find comparison between flexjet and netjets. I’m not sure why, but I just wasted some of my life away wading through 18 pages of people having a ****ing contest between 121 and fractional.

What do you want to know?

NetJets if you don't mind the longer wait for upgrade. When you see the upgrade numbers remember no one was hired from about 2008-2015 so soon as the last furloughed pilot gets upgraded the years will go way down. NetJets offers better pay, benefits, and working conditions and you have union protection. And right now the Union has a very good working relationship with management.

The upgrade time bothers me a bit. So what is it now realistically? 6-8 years? However, even though you upgrade fast at Flex, sounds like you get locked into the phenom for a very long time. It’s hard to calculate with all of netjets soft pay, but it seems you can make just as much money as a netjet FO compared to the flex phenom captain. Does this seems accurate? If I make this move, I’m looking for a career not a time builder. So the lack of PIC time doesn’t bother me much. I’m assuming they let you fly the plane as an FO so you can log PIC anyway while you are “manipulating the control” for that leg.

you log PIC when you sign for the plane, not when you’re flying it. Until you upgrade you log SIC, even when it’s your leg to fly.

JTwift ,

That is incorrect when you’re referring to logging PIC time per 14 CFR 61.51(e). Now, if you’re referring to what a potential future employer wants to count as PIC time, all bets are off as each has their own criteria.

From reading your post...

NetJets for the career move.

Flex for the fast upgrade and time building.

There’s a reason the upgrade is 14 years right now. Part of that was a hiring lull in a bad economy (felt by the entire industry) for about 7-8 years. Part of that is because attrition since that period from NetJets is historically low. Pilots like it.

Beware a fast upgrade. There’s a reason for it.

PS... don’t get fancy with logging PIC time. When it’s YOUR aircraft, you’re signing for it... log that time as PIC. If you aren’t the PIC, don’t log the time as such.

Why is logging time strictly per FAA regulation considered “fancy”?

This arguement again.
Because if you log PIC when you're not PIC the rest of your application would look suspect too. Like the guys that have 50% of their time logged as instrument. It looks bad. Just be honest. You won't impress anyone at an interview with your knowledge of FAA loopholes.

If you want the job, you won’t get creative. You’ll log it properly.

That is a blanket statement for every recruitment department.

FARs have nothing to do with recruitments opinion of PIC time. I’m trying to help you and want to be as unambiguous as possible.

Theres a little FAR a few sections past Part 61 in Part 135 that says the PIC will be designated before the flight and that individual will remain the PIC for the entire flight. it doesn’t make mention of who’s manipulating the controls. And that’s what future employers care about.

I know of at least one individual who had their CJO negated when the prospective airline found out about the log book games that you’re suggesting. I’d recommend playing it straight if moving on is even remotely a possibility.

Just keep it simple. Right seater is SIC and Left seater is PIC in 99% of the circumstances.

Just keep it simple. You sign for the airplane you are PIC no matter who is flying. If you fly and don’t sign for it then you are SIC. This makes it so you can never be questioned on why you did it any other way.

What he said! You’re not the PIC unless your company designates you as so. If you have to fancy your logbook to make career advances, best of luck

To be fair, you can log PIC as sole manipulator. But at this stage of the game, there’s no point. If you sign for the aircraft, log PIC. Otherwise don’t...

Equally good advice is to log how many tuna fish sandwiches you’ve eaten while in flight.

It won’t get you the job.

Play it safe... if you’re the guy that the company called THE GUY... its your plane... you log PIC. Otherwise, you’ll look like a fool.

We have our share of Richard Heads, no doubt. Also, I'm not exactly "Mr. NetJets", but this is a better place to be in terms of stability, pay, and benefits.
Also, when the chips are really down (ie family emergencies), the usual stupid goes away quickly, and the company will come through for you. I don't know how Flex handles things, but if one of us calls the flight center and says "I have an emergency at home and need to go home NOW", they won't screw around with you and you'll be on the way.
If you want a quick upgrade, NJA aint the place. At least not until the Q-Tips move along and retire. But if I were looking for one place to come and stay and for some crazy reason didn't want to go 121, I'd go NJA over Flex.

any day of the week , month , or year

I would pick NJA over Flex too, make no mistake. But the crop of NJA pilots that seem to think the airlines are gonna furlough tomorrow, also think a Flex is closing it’s doors tomorrow.

Flex handles personal emergencies very well. I know several guys both new, senior, and Red Label, who've had to get home right away and the company took care of that without hesitation.

Is there any soft pay at flexjet? Looking at the straight forward day rates, it sounds like you have to work close to 200 days as a phenom captain at flex to make similar pay as a FO working 7/7 at netjets.

Q-tips?
 

I’m sure that “Q-tips” somehow means geezers,no spring chicken, myself by the way, LOL, but I have never heard that expression...
What does it mean?

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the pay scales for the Lear are the current captain scales for the remaining Lears and the Phenoms. There is no FDP like Netjets, but there is a fuel bonus of up to $4,000 dollars per year based on your fuel burns. Hope that helps.

The first time I heard the comment was in “Me, Myself and Irene” where they referred to a fair skinned, white- haired (albino almost)male as “Q-Tip”.

Pretty sure he’s just throwing shade at the white haired old man....I’m just the translator though [emoji23]

Recent pay info I received...