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The upgrades will continue till it’s at 6-7 years and stable... then decreasing.

Convince me I’m wrong.

wankel7

Only hindsight can answer this one.

It is nice the company is upgrading well past the 70/30 - pic/sic.

They say it is the right thing to do. I can't argue with that. But does it make business sense for them in anyway? Or is it only because it's the right thing to do?

DH2time

Okay so let’s say you are right. Getting hired right now places you as the most junior captain In the following. I used your number for NJA and used APC plus a buffer of 20 percent for all others.

NJA-2026
NK-2022
WN-2028
UAL-2023
DAL-2024
AA-2025
AK-2027

Every regional you will upgrade by 2022 at the latest.

Seems to me no matter how it’s sliced, NJA even using your numbers, is still on the long side to upgrade. Those are the facts brah.

Oh and lastly the burden of proof does not lie with others to disprove your claim. Using Russell’s Teapot the burden is on you for proof of an unfalsifiable claim and not on others to disprove your claim.

dutchroller

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dutchroller

But seriously though... is the current upgrade rate (with many more pics than sics already) based on demand for even more pics or just an attempt to stem attrition?


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MWilliams

I think you are starting to see the issue NJA management has. The upgrades are to stem attrition and get ahead of the retirements. Everybody says NetJets is a fly until you die operation. The numbers do not support that. Are there exceptions, you bet. There is a large part of the seniority list that is between 50-60 years old. In 10-15 years 1200 will be at the age where getting a medical every six months is not a given. If NetJets were to lose the 40-50 year olds, read 10-14 year SICs, the company would be in between a rock and a hard place. That is why they are dangling the upgrade carrot, ie “the right thing to do” and paying SICs 150-200k. If management cannot figure out how to retain what they have and recruit quality new pilots to backfill the game might be over.

Regardless of what people say, it’s a good job. Are there others that might be better? Sure, but it isn’t the bottom of the barrel by a long shot.

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I think the ratio model was thrown out long ago.

Management is upgrading to keep career prospects at NetJets sexy in regards to upgrade time.

Also, as attrition picks up and growth airframes pick up demanding captains exist, the supply will be there already.

That’s a lot of 4 stripe epaulets coming.

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So, from your numbers it seems that NJA is up there with SWA and Alaska.

Isn’t that a competitive upgrade if an applicant liked this type of flying Bruh?

Good upgrade times at Spirit... but I wouldn’t want to fly those type of people around. Too much grit and drama and riots when flights cancel.

Specifically, Alaska looks like it’s exactly equal to NetJets projected upgrades... we’ll be taking on something like 40-50 jets a year with 15 of those being growth airframes. Is Alaska?

Very curious why someone would leave for Virgin or Spirit two years ago and call that a win today facing the exact... same... or worse upgrade time (in the case of Alaska) or the realities of flying “Spirit World”.

Unless they really wanted to fly airline type of flying.

And of note is that these are upgrade times to be on reserve in a junior base. That isn’t possible for many pilots to embrace without a commute.

NetJets still features 110+ bases to start and stop trips from without a commute, changeable every could of weeks if desired. The whole basing and commute thing is a non event. Once a new pilot just lets go of the need to know where their trip will take them, the days on the road are extremely manageable. Crews simply manage rest, nutrition, etc and the destinations just happen.

Last trip we literally flew from California to St Thomas and saw every season, including fire season in California. We didn’t care where we flew or where the overnight was or what time we arrived/departed the overnight. Some great overnights, some average overnights, some great flying, no TEB. I used the restroom on the ground... no standing in the lav.

I really can’t imagine a NetJets where because I upgrade, I’d sit around on reserve or get scrap trips and be forced to report to a single base 3 time zones away to do that.

tomgoodman

On the contrary, we now see an adult discussion of careers, free from personal insults. Please keep it up.

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Thank you Tom!

I appreciate all of your effort and patience!