NetJets: By the Numbers
01-14-2020, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pugpilot
When you say "325 remain to be upgraded in 4.5 years" that implies there is a commitment by the company to upgrade those FOs within a timeframe If this is based on how many people have recently upgraded, that estimate is completely worthless. Without a mandatory retirement, guaranteed fleet growth, changes to staffing requirements - each and every upgrade exists in a vacuum and is not an indication or harbinger of future upgrades.
01-14-2020, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
NJA pilots commute. Literally just walked by an NJA CA in the terminal in AUS waiting to board with his group 6 boarding pass. He and an airline commuter were posted against the wall, waiting to board last. Granted the quality of an airline flight can vary greatly for NJA pilots but I would absolutely argue that there are plenty of airline pilots with easier commutes to work than what a lot of NJA pilots have to endure. 3 legs and 12 hours of travel in a middle seat isn’t cooler just because NJA buys you a ticket.
And with the "New and 'improved'" international airline policy, if they can get you halfway around the planet with three legs in coach, each under five hours, and a 20 hour travel day, they'll do it.
01-14-2020, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
NJA pilots commute. Literally just walked by an NJA CA in the terminal in AUS waiting to board with his group 6 boarding pass. He and an airline commuter were posted against the wall, waiting to board last. Granted the quality of an airline flight can vary greatly for NJA pilots but I would absolutely argue that there are plenty of airline pilots with easier commutes to work than what a lot of NJA pilots have to endure. 3 legs and 12 hours of travel in a middle seat isn’t cooler just because NJA buys you a ticket.
What we do is not a commute. It’s an airplane ride... and we keep the airline status. All paid for by NetJets.
Y’all can have that jumpseat.
01-14-2020, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.
And with the "New and 'improved'" international airline policy, if they can get you halfway around the planet with three legs in coach, each under five hours, and a 20 hour travel day, they'll do it.
And with the "New and 'improved'" international airline policy, if they can get you halfway around the planet with three legs in coach, each under five hours, and a 20 hour travel day, they'll do it.
Gulfstreams will all new gone in 18 months. You won’t need to worry about that pesky policy in small cabin when you displace to your seniority.
01-14-2020, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable
What we do is not a commute. It’s an airplane ride... and we keep the airline status. All paid for by NetJets.
Y’all can have that jumpseat.
Y’all can have that jumpseat.
01-14-2020, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
Yea, but he’s trying to recruit so it sounds better. What happens when CA and FO ratios get so skewed that when the market dips (which it will)? Downgrades that’s what. NJA doesn’t want or need 80%-90% captains. The hard reality is, these merit based upgrades are going to cease, and upgrades will stagnate once again. The first thing NJA will do when they have to tighten finances up, will be stopping the unnecessary upgrades.
What happens when the economy tanks again and airlines merge with others?
Milton from office space knows. To the basement. Allegheny Mohawk LPPs. DOH. Who knows.
The plan HERE is to add 15 jets a year for the foreseeable future until? Between retirements and growth, I’d say the risk is minimal at NetJets for your doomsday prognostication... no more than at any airline. In fact, when there’s a typical recession, our Owners fly less. They don’t stop flying like the general population. Less FDP in that scenario and no furloughs... I think the PIC/SIC ratio will be an absolute non event given all that’s happening in the business right now. New staffing realities vs what they were here in 2009/2010 uphold that postulate.
But those LPPs though. Mergers are fun.
Last edited by tomgoodman; 01-14-2020 at 05:43 PM. Reason: Political
01-14-2020, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
I would have chosen the jumpseat over probably 25% of the NJA flights I was booked on.
I wouldn’t have. Sweating it out at the gate... wondering if I’d make it? Nope. No thanks.
“Now boarding, Zone 1”... ahh, that complimentary upgrade.
01-14-2020, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable
I wouldn’t have. Sweating it out at the gate... wondering if I’d make it? Nope. No thanks.
“Now boarding, Zone 1”... ahh, that complimentary upgrade.
“Now boarding, Zone 1”... ahh, that complimentary upgrade.
01-14-2020, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable
What happens when the economy tanks again and airlines merge with others?
What happens? Sounds like you just answered your own question, airlines will merge maybe? Maybe you won't be able to extend 6 days a month... The top 6 airlines could shrink to half their size and still not furlough just based on retirements alone. What happens when NJA has to downgrade 300 frivolous upgrades and furlough 500? Why even bother asking these questions?
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