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Originally Posted by SonnyTuckson (Post 3667112)

New contract before Jan. 2024, very funny. Zero new contract before you retire, maybe mid to end 2024, but chance of a sh!!ty +18%-20% increase in 2024 has sailed off with that last LBF.

It’s not happening at all in 2024 but if the rest of the crybabies leave with me in January you can bet it’ll be 2031.

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Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3659712)

NetJets has always kinda sucked as a job. It just feels suckier when the industry around NJA is doing so well. The same goes for when the airline industry craps the bed, NJA pilots praise the amazing job they have and how amazing the company is. Scheduling runs you into fatiguing almost daily, you rarely get an awesome layover and/or enough time to enjoy the layover, and when the airline industry sees concessions is the only time NJA pays better. Don't leave NJA to chase upgrades or contracts at a particular airline. You have to be built for the NJA lifestyle. Some people are, and some people aren't. I wasn't. FDP masked a lot of issues because you can solve a lot with money. Now that the airlines are all paying top dollar, and upgrades are down, it makes NJA feel pretty behind the eightball when the honeymoon of FDP wears off and you realized they simply threw money at you to ignore the plaguing issues that have never gone away, and never will. Scheduling will always be the way it is, the dynamic nature of NJA will never change. If you love flying private jets to random places and can make the lifestyle, pay, and benefits work, then awesome.

It sounds like you have had personal experiences and frustrations with your job at NetJets (NJA). Job satisfaction can vary among individuals, and it's important to find a career that aligns with your personal preferences and priorities. The aviation industry, like any other, can have its ups and downs, and different companies may have different challenges and perks. It's crucial to assess your own priorities and find a job that suits your needs and brings you fulfillment.

I am one of the “crybabies” that actually left NJs after being there for about a decade (including the five years I was furloughed). I realized once the 2015 contract came out that NJs would never compare to the majors, so I did something about it. I still think NJs was a fun job, but why would I settle for less pay and retirement for doing more work? It just depends on what your life goals are I guess. Now I’m a captain for Hawaiian Airlines with much better pay and QOL. To each his own…

I'm considering applying at NJ despite OP's warning. I have to assume there is a contract since they're gonna buy a type rating...how long must you stay there to fulfill the contract?

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Originally Posted by RabidCoon (Post 3669481)

I'm considering applying at NJ despite OP's warning. I have to assume there is a contract since they're gonna buy a type rating...how long must you stay there to fulfill the contract?

Do you mean like a training agreement? We don’t do that here.

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Originally Posted by RabidCoon (Post 3669481)

I'm considering applying at NJ despite OP's warning. I have to assume there is a contract since they're gonna buy a type rating...how long must you stay there to fulfill the contract?

No there isn’t. I think as a pilot I would honor at least a year. Let them get some money back out of that type. But lots of people leave for different reasons.

I’ve always felt that anytime there is a training contract or bond that the company is forcing people to stay rather than hiring the right person and provide the right environment for them to want to stay.

It’s a two way street.

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Originally Posted by RabidCoon (Post 3669481)

I'm considering applying at NJ despite OP's warning. I have to assume there is a contract since they're gonna buy a type rating...how long must you stay there to fulfill the contract?

NetJets is the only Fractional I'm aware of that has a Union. I don't think the company could impose a training contract without negotiation with the Union.

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Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3669691)

NetJets is the only Fractional I'm aware of that has a Union. I don't think the company could impose a training contract without negotiation with the Union.

That is correct. We had one from late Feb 2000 until 2005 when we wrote it into the CBA that it is not allowed. I highly doubt you would ever see one allowed again.

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Originally Posted by Swedepilut (Post 3669588)

We are having new hires not even last a year. If a Legacy carrier calls, run and don't look back. Even if our pay goes up to Delta wages, just the nature of 135 our work rules will always lag or stink relative to a Legacy carrier once you hold a line.

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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05 (Post 3670058)

I dont believe our pay will ever go up to Delta/United wages. Never.