One more Netjets Question
 

Ok, so I'm looking at the Netjets, as far as interviews go do they interview based on the order they accept resumes or once they are in the hiring pool they look at the qualifications then pick from them?
Secondly, anyone know how many resumes have been turned in since the new contract? Since the airlines are going to 65 is that going to affect the number of applicants for NJ??

Logic tells me they'll hand pick the most qualified people from the pile, which must be expanding rapidly. The hiring mins won't change, but you're gonna start seeing more and more regional kids with jet PIC, and obviously military and corporate dudes. Preference will be given to guys with jet and corporate experience. From the regionals/freight, if you fly a turbo-prop left seat, you'll be fine. If you fly a turbo-prop right seat, you are gonna need some luck. Military guys flying turbo-props from any side, I think they'll be all right as well. I don't think NJ will hire piston guys ever again. (Just my opinion)

I am 16 months from retirement from the Army and am looking at NJ as my first choice. I am hoping to be competitive with around 4200tt, 3150 RW, 1050 ME turbine in RC-12's, 750 of that PIC. Of my total 3000 hours is in AH-64A/D, of which 2700 IP/PIC. Type rated in 300 series King Airs, ATP writ complete and will be taking my ATP ride as soon as I get out of Iraq at CAE Simuflite at DFW in the 350 sim. Seem competetive in some of your opinions?

Competitive Mins
 

I heard a new rumor that since the new TA, NetJets competitive hiring mins are 6000 total and 3000 jet. Is this true or just a rumor? I'm currently in the interview pool and nowhere close to that. Just a little concerned. Thanks for any insight you can shed on this subject.

How is NJ to work with in terms of days off? I fly aerobatics during the summer and would need to commit to shows early on.

Not sure what's "competitive" these days. Those numbers you mentioned will be the most likely scenario here in a few months. We don't have large numbers of guys retiring, add to that our new contract and the age-65 rule now in effect at the majors. All these factors will eventually have an impact like that. My advice, hang in there, and consider CS and FX as well. They are not far behind...

I was told (by a senior captain at NJ) that the best way to separate you from the herd is to have an internal recommendation. Also, Derinda has said in the past – “once you meet the minimums you are competitive.” Who knows if that is true anymore?

A NetJets recruiter once told me they like to see more on your resume than just flight time. They consider other hobbies, interests and skills outside of flying, so you can better relate to the owners, since you have lots of direct contact with the pax, as opposed to the airlines. I was under the impression that the way to stand out was to emphasize customer service and achievements besides flight times. Is that still the case? Or are they so inundated with applications that it is going to come down to flight time and internal recommendations?

You will be fine. There are many prop Army pilots with NJA.

My opinion only, internals will be huge for getting the interview. Once you are there, you speak for yourself. If Derinda is interviewing you, what you do away from work matters. As does Safety First, then the Customers.

Thanks So Wonwee, I was hoping to hear that. I have someone who has offered to walk my app in.

Oh yeah, take the offer. Human resources loves military guys. Talked to a guy two days ago, he was in Columbus to do his mandatory 3 landings. He flew King Airs in the military, mainly in Europe. They offered him the Sovereign and the Xcel. He took the Sovereign. Starts IOE in January.

Well now I just have to wait until my retirement. Hopefully everything will have been settled by Spring of 2009 which is when I plan on dropping my resume.

I have also herd that NJ loves military guys and being a Navy guy I was happy to here that - but with 2 strong internal rec's and plenty of PIC jet I am beginning to wonder. I have had my " app acceptance " for email for 6 months and no interview?? I hate to be the one starting rumors but I have herd from these two internal rec's that Derinda is in trouble with the ethics comity with how she is running the interviewing process and that dept has had some people recently fired. I'm not sure if I am the only noticing allot of people getting interview with less PIC than what everyone has been saying is the "Norm". Before the military bashing starts - in this same time I have had 3 other interview offers - so I just wonder what is going on at NJ.

OK let it start ........

should have read a second time here vs. hear - nice

First of all, I am a retired military pilot. Many of our pilots have some military background. I haven't noticed any bias against the military. I think you're probably just caught up in the large volume of applicants that are trying to get an interview. The hiring office is only staffed with 3 people...Derinda (recruiter), the department manager and an administrative assistant. Also, most of those who are applying probably also have strong inside recommendations.

Just hang in there and hopefully you'll get the calling soon.

Bias against military???? why? how? No, not at all. My guess, Human resources has more resumes than they know what to do with them. My buddy has at least 3000 hours Dash 8 PIC, and I wrote a letter of recomendation on his behalf more than 3 months ago. he hasn't gotten the call. He keeps on asking, and I don't know what to tell him, I tried to help.

Just like Omaha pilot said, your resume is one in a big pile. Hang in there man, its worth it. hope to see you flying the line soon.

UCLAbruins - trust me I hope to be on the line soon myself since the milk from the government teet is running dry in a few months. I don't think there is any bias against military guys at NJ - I just meant I don't think nor expect any special treatment and I know some guys think we run around with our noses in the air. I have heard of alot NJ pilots sending recs to try and get guys an interview that are already very competitive on there own and then I see on other sites new hires posting trip reports with minimum flight time, NO COLLEGE, and a 3 month turnaround from app complete to interview-****? This is what I meant when I said that Derinda or that dept is being looked at internally - again just what I heard from a inside source.

That could be true, times are changing here at NJA. Derinda and Jerry have always said though that the mins are competitive for an interview. Also, prior to 7 Dec, if you put LA as your base, the interviews came faster. We also have a union hiring committee that provides oversight.
Who gets picked for interviews is anyones guess at all the companies. I was denied an interview from CS and Flex. No interview with CAL or JB although some friends with nearly the same resume got an interview. I was offered interviews with DAL and SWA as well, some guys with the same resumes have not heard from these guys. It is a crap shoot.

The only thing I have to add is:

PLEASE be careful over there and Merry Christmas. I have spent this season away from home and I know how tough it is. Thanks a ton for putting it out there on the line.

As for the rest, you have the mins and therefore competitive.

Jungle....OIF/OEF Veteran.....2003

Hi!

For guys who have applied to NJA months ago: Getting an interview was dependent on the bases you would accept and the bases that were open. Some of the guys interviewed in Dec had been waiting 12 mos-those who asked for only DAL. Now, it is all up in the air, as the bases are gone. So, basically the interview time clock was re-set on Dec 7, and everyone was at Day 1. Now, how they are prioritizing the interviews, I have no idea. I have heard that if you have an LOR you can get your interview sooner.

Schedules: If you are on the 7/7, you will know your days off ahead of time to schedule airshows, whatever. It sounds like that would be the best schedule if you need to know your schedule well ahead of time (outside scheduled vacations).

I have also heard, and it appears likely, from who flies for NJA, that they intentionally want a MIX of pilots. Mil/Airline/Corporate, etc. They are not like DAL, for example, that prefers mil guys. So, I don't think a mil guy would get preferential treatment, but they wouldn't get negative treatment either.

The way you are selected for interviews, and hired, is very randomized. You need to apply and interview, and see what happens. If you like the co., and they don't hire you, try again when you can. If you get upset and bitter about negative outcomes, it will show up in the application process or interview. Try, and if it doesn't work, try again. You may interview somewhere, and it depends on who interviews you-if that person likes you, you're in, and if they don't, you're out. If you try again, you'll get another person, who'll judge you differently.

In these last rounds of interviews, Derinda doesn't sit on a board-she helps the interviewees throughout the process. NJA IS changing the process again. I've heard it will be 3 days-1 intro, 1 day of two interview boards per candidate, and 1 day of sim, + a BUNCH of written tests. For sure it IS changing, and I don't think anyone knows for sure how it will end up.

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!

God Bless,
cliff
YYZ

If Cliff is right about a 3 day process....then I feel a whole lot better having just got picked up! It has been a good year so far and I think next year is going to rock!

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A 3 day process seems a bit excessive and expensive for the company. From the guys I know that work in management the company seems to be trying to really attract the best pilots in the industry (more $$, bases, skeds, and benifits).
Does anyone know if you upgrade to NJI from NJ are the different sked options the same between the 2 companies??

As things are right now (after the TA), it'll probably take you anywhere from 4-5 years to upgrade to captain in the most junior aircraft, the Beech Jet or Ultra. Still a hell of a lot better than the 11-12 years it takes to upgrade at the majors. As far as getting a F/O position in the G-IV (NJI), Falcon Easy and BBJ, it'll probably take you about 3 years. The Falcon 2000 Easy is a state of the art airplane, a great computarized machine. We were suppose to get a bunch of those things fairly quickly, but I heard it didn't meet the range specifications NJ wanted. So the slowed down the deliveries.

Info.
 

Good morning, and thanks for all the infomation on NetJets.

I've read that you don't spend much time in the hotels, so are you flying, or are you sitting in an FBO or something? Also, how many hours a month do you fly say in the most popular aircraft? I was also wondering if day 1 is usually an AM report and day 7 is usually a PM return?

Thanks.

-Most popular aircraft, you'll do anywhere from 45-60 hours a month (Falcon 2000, Xcel or X).
-Middle of the ranks, like my little Hawker800, 35-50.
-Ultra/Beech Jet, not many. I've heard every aircraft we have is sold out, except the Beech Jet and Ultra. There's even a waiting list in for some aircraft. I imagine the Beech Jet does a lot of "search and rescue" (recovery flights).

As far as 1st day, you'll leave in the morning most of the time. Typical day, you airline, pick a ship, and do a repo flight for the next day. Sometimes you'll just airline, and sometimes you'll do 2 or 3 legs after the airline. Last day, 4 out of 5 times, I'm home before 3:00 p.m. Every now and then, you'll be home before 11:00 a.m. But it can also work the other way, get home at 11;30 p.m. hope this helps you

Does the NJI guys have the same sked as the NJ guys or is it different?? 3 years to get BBJ thats not bad at all, I would have thought it would take longer.

BBJ FO will not be 3 years. I've been at NJ 2.5 years and will hopefully upgrade in 6-9 months. For me to upgrade to BBJ FO it would be much longer, and the pay is less. 5-6 years for captain upgrade with new hires is pretty spot on.

I was looking at the virtual seniority list today. 10 years is the junior SIC in the BBJ.

yeah you guys are probably right, it'll take many years to get the BBJ.

This is why I said 3 years. I've been at NJ 2 years 11 months, I put in a bid for the BBJ out of curiosity (just to see how far I was). I think it said only 3 or 4 guys infront of me. So I figure 3 years. But here's the thing, when the company puts out a bid for 1 BBJ F/O, a bunch of senior guys are going to decide that they want it, and bid it. All of a sudden, overnight, you go down 15-20 numbers. I guess I wasn't thinking about that.

ps- last year a Hawker 800 captain turned it down, he's been at NJ just over 4 years, but I think we had 3 BBJs then, I'm not sure. cheers

So then which equipments do senior people prefer to stay on, the most popular, the middle of the ranks, or the Ultra/Beech jets seeing how pay also factors into what you fly?

Also how difficult does it really get when you are battling the elements as you “throw luggage?” I’m just curious as to how pilots handle it, especially with the kind of blizzards that’s hit some part of the country; and also how they handle rainy days. Is it a factor or a non-factor for most?

From what I have heard, the Falcon 2000 is very popular because they have flight attendants and they hit Hawaii, Europe and other hot spots.

As for the bags, pilots can always tip the rampers for throwing the bags. All tips are reimbursed by Netjets. If there are no rampers present or willing to do the job, put on your jacket and gut it out...

And then tip yourself appropriately! I'm just kidding......Maybe.

A Hawker-800XPC bid just came out that went very senior. FalconEasy will always be senior. After that, it seems to be a toss-up.

During the week before and after Thanksgiving and Christmas, bags are a pain in the lower back. If your plane has baggage space. We have stuffed a ton of bags while standing on ice on the ramp. The other times of the year seem to be much easier overall. If you see a list of names that all share the same last name and they are going to the mountains, expect a ton of junk.

[quote=So Wonwee;290902]A Hawker-800XPC bid just came out that went very senior. FalconEasy will always be senior. After that, it seems to be a toss-up.quote]

Just flew with a guy (Hakwer 800-Collins flavor). He's been with the company 12 yrs. He came over from the X. Why is this airplane so damn senior?????

That's why I love the Hawker, indoor closet=few bags. If they have several, you gotta get creative.

I know someone who received the "application received" email at the end of November and has an interview mid January. I think the person doing the internal rec may weigh alot in how fast you get interviewed. His total time is somewhere around 2800 hours, all corporate experience...

Thanks for the update citationdrvrmob! I'll keep my fingers crossed

How far out from military retirement should an application be submitted? I heard from a NJ captain that he thought the applications were "purged" after 90 days.

6-9 months. The process to get hired and start can take awhile. I separated June 07, started at NJA in July 07 and started working on apps in Oct 06.