My Pledge
05-25-2005, 03:31 PM
#1
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My Pledge
This was written by a Netjets pilot, taken from our IPA forum --
My Pledge
1) I will not fly tired and will refuse to fly with a tired crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims he/she can tough it out for one more leg.
2) I will not fly sick and will refuse to fly with a sick crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims that they are good to go. I will not conserve
my sick days. They are meant to be used for illness. If I use all my
sick days, I will still take myself off the schedule because it is the
right thing to do.
3) I will not fly a marginal airplane even if my crewmate thinks it
might be alright. I will always err on the side of caution and safety.
4) I will always complete a “Stop and proceed with caution” brief before
taxiing out of the ramp area. If there are any items that cannot be
complied with, I will delay the flight and use the time to do my best
to rectify the situation.
5) I will not extend because it will send the wrong message to management
and serve only to extend the misery for management and the union.
6) I will not be, or aspire to be an instructor, IOE, CA because to
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
8) I will not encourage prospective new hires to accept employment at
NJA until those currently on the seniority list have properly atoned
for inadvertently misleading management. New hires should be assured
of coming to a safe and professional environment.
9) I will be especially courteous to, and understanding of, our highly
qualified dispatchers, schedulers, flight managers and owner representatives.
I will be compliant even if I think there may be a better way, because
they probably have a better view of the entire operation.
10) I will consult with maintenance personnel frequently on matters
of concern and always investigate “could not duplicate” entries.
11) I will encourage employees at NJI, EJM, FSI, contractors and competitors
to renew their commitment to safety and doing the right thing for the
good of the entire aviation community.
12) I will be especially mindful of this Pledge when passengers are
scheduled to be onboard.
My Pledge
1) I will not fly tired and will refuse to fly with a tired crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims he/she can tough it out for one more leg.
2) I will not fly sick and will refuse to fly with a sick crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims that they are good to go. I will not conserve
my sick days. They are meant to be used for illness. If I use all my
sick days, I will still take myself off the schedule because it is the
right thing to do.
3) I will not fly a marginal airplane even if my crewmate thinks it
might be alright. I will always err on the side of caution and safety.
4) I will always complete a “Stop and proceed with caution” brief before
taxiing out of the ramp area. If there are any items that cannot be
complied with, I will delay the flight and use the time to do my best
to rectify the situation.
5) I will not extend because it will send the wrong message to management
and serve only to extend the misery for management and the union.
6) I will not be, or aspire to be an instructor, IOE, CA because to
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
8) I will not encourage prospective new hires to accept employment at
NJA until those currently on the seniority list have properly atoned
for inadvertently misleading management. New hires should be assured
of coming to a safe and professional environment.
9) I will be especially courteous to, and understanding of, our highly
qualified dispatchers, schedulers, flight managers and owner representatives.
I will be compliant even if I think there may be a better way, because
they probably have a better view of the entire operation.
10) I will consult with maintenance personnel frequently on matters
of concern and always investigate “could not duplicate” entries.
11) I will encourage employees at NJI, EJM, FSI, contractors and competitors
to renew their commitment to safety and doing the right thing for the
good of the entire aviation community.
12) I will be especially mindful of this Pledge when passengers are
scheduled to be onboard.
01-02-2011, 02:24 PM
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by Freighter Captain
This was written by a Netjets pilot, taken from our IPA forum --
My Pledge
1) I will not fly tired and will refuse to fly with a tired crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims he/she can tough it out for one more leg.
2) I will not fly sick and will refuse to fly with a sick crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims that they are good to go. I will not conserve
my sick days. They are meant to be used for illness. If I use all my
sick days, I will still take myself off the schedule because it is the
right thing to do.
3) I will not fly a marginal airplane even if my crewmate thinks it
might be alright. I will always err on the side of caution and safety.
4) I will always complete a “Stop and proceed with caution” brief before
taxiing out of the ramp area. If there are any items that cannot be
complied with, I will delay the flight and use the time to do my best
to rectify the situation.
5) I will not extend because it will send the wrong message to management
and serve only to extend the misery for management and the union.
6) I will not be, or aspire to be an instructor, IOE, CA because to
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
8) I will not encourage prospective new hires to accept employment at
NJA until those currently on the seniority list have properly atoned
for inadvertently misleading management. New hires should be assured
of coming to a safe and professional environment.
9) I will be especially courteous to, and understanding of, our highly
qualified dispatchers, schedulers, flight managers and owner representatives.
I will be compliant even if I think there may be a better way, because
they probably have a better view of the entire operation.
10) I will consult with maintenance personnel frequently on matters
of concern and always investigate “could not duplicate” entries.
11) I will encourage employees at NJI, EJM, FSI, contractors and competitors
to renew their commitment to safety and doing the right thing for the
good of the entire aviation community.
12) I will be especially mindful of this Pledge when passengers are
scheduled to be onboard.
My Pledge
1) I will not fly tired and will refuse to fly with a tired crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims he/she can tough it out for one more leg.
2) I will not fly sick and will refuse to fly with a sick crewmate,
even if that crewmate claims that they are good to go. I will not conserve
my sick days. They are meant to be used for illness. If I use all my
sick days, I will still take myself off the schedule because it is the
right thing to do.
3) I will not fly a marginal airplane even if my crewmate thinks it
might be alright. I will always err on the side of caution and safety.
4) I will always complete a “Stop and proceed with caution” brief before
taxiing out of the ramp area. If there are any items that cannot be
complied with, I will delay the flight and use the time to do my best
to rectify the situation.
5) I will not extend because it will send the wrong message to management
and serve only to extend the misery for management and the union.
6) I will not be, or aspire to be an instructor, IOE, CA because to
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
8) I will not encourage prospective new hires to accept employment at
NJA until those currently on the seniority list have properly atoned
for inadvertently misleading management. New hires should be assured
of coming to a safe and professional environment.
9) I will be especially courteous to, and understanding of, our highly
qualified dispatchers, schedulers, flight managers and owner representatives.
I will be compliant even if I think there may be a better way, because
they probably have a better view of the entire operation.
10) I will consult with maintenance personnel frequently on matters
of concern and always investigate “could not duplicate” entries.
11) I will encourage employees at NJI, EJM, FSI, contractors and competitors
to renew their commitment to safety and doing the right thing for the
good of the entire aviation community.
12) I will be especially mindful of this Pledge when passengers are
scheduled to be onboard.
01-02-2011, 03:18 PM
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6) I will not be, or aspire to be an instructor, IOE, CA because to
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
do so would send the wrong message to management and thereby be harmful
to the long term success of the company.
7) I will not be, or aspire to be a CP or ACP because it sends the wrong
message to management and management will need every able bodied pilot
to fill in for pilots like me who are trying to do the right and responsible
thing.
If serious - could someone please explain why being an instructor for instance is a bad thing?
USMCFLYR
01-02-2011, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
If serious - could someone please explain why being an instructor for instance is a bad thing?
01-02-2011, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I don't know anything about the fractional world, but I don't understand the points made above. Are they serious points or made somewhat TIC?
If serious - could someone please explain why being an instructor for instance is a bad thing?
USMCFLYR
If serious - could someone please explain why being an instructor for instance is a bad thing?
USMCFLYR
helping the company while being paid very low wages and working with an expired contract is kind of taboo. That's where points 5, 6 and 7 came in. The mentallity back then was to go in, fly and avoid any extra curricular activities
Things have changed for the better, but this thread reminded me of how it was back when I was a newbie.
Last edited by UCLAbruins; 01-02-2011 at 05:00 PM.
01-02-2011, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UCLAbruins
that was written during contract negotiations, pretty awful time . 2005 sucked, the labor-management relationship wasn't very good... Both the union and Santulli were playing hard-ball.. basically it was an US vs THEM airline-style working environment.
helping the company while being paid very low wages and working with an expired contract is kind of taboo. That's where points 5, 6 and 7 came in.
Things (& times) have certainly changed, but this thread reminded me of how it was back when I was a newbie
helping the company while being paid very low wages and working with an expired contract is kind of taboo. That's where points 5, 6 and 7 came in.
Things (& times) have certainly changed, but this thread reminded me of how it was back when I was a newbie
I actually understand #5 and it seems to fit into today's envronment just as well.
Was the company not paying some extra for instructor / check airmen duty at the time?
USMCFLYR
01-03-2011, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Was the company not paying some extra for instructor / check airmen duty at the time?
USMCFLYR
USMCFLYR
It was more of a "helping the company" issue. If captains don't volunteer to do that, we'd start missing our training cycles, captain line checks, maybe even loose currency, etc. therefore we can't fly...Pilots were willing to try anything at that point.
I'm not saying I agreed or disagreed with every single point back then, i"m just explaining what i saw during my first 6 months with the company
Like I said 2005 $ucked
01-03-2011, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by UCLAbruins
that was written during contract negotiations, pretty awful time . 2005 sucked, the labor-management relationship wasn't very good... Both the union and Santulli were playing hard-ball.. basically it was an US vs THEM airline-style working environment.
helping the company while being paid very low wages and working with an expired contract is kind of taboo.
helping the company while being paid very low wages and working with an expired contract is kind of taboo.
YAWN........ Welcome to most of the furloughed guys last ten years in aviation. The US vs. THEM is no different than any other company at any other negotiation time.
