NetJets BBJ Question
 

Do any of you guys know if you have an ATP and 737 type is it possible to get hired on directly in the BBJ at NetJets? Thanks!

no, you can't get hired into the 737 at NJA

How long would it take it get upgraded or would your upgrade be accelerated if you had an ATP and a type rating in a B737?

type won't make it any faster, we have 100's of guys with 73 type and time. just like every airline out there its all about the sr list. if hired now it is a plane you will most liekly never hold. Most jr captain on the 73 is in the top 50 on a list of 2600.

Thanks JMACK, you have been very helpful. Another question for NETJETS...do you guys have the age 60 rule???

no Sir, guys can fly here as long as they have a first class med.
Just finished a trip a few weeks ago with a guy that retired from AMR in 1995 he is 70 years young and sharp as a tack.

Wow! That is pretty cool, I hope I can still fly at that age!

They don't hire separately for the 737 like the Gulfstream? If not how senior do you have to be to even fly the BBJ? Can anybody explain??

Captains are in the top 50 on the sr list, most jr fo is just over 100 on the list of 2600

Most likely nobody hired in the last 5 years even has any hope of seeing the BBJ in their career at NetJets. I think we only have 3 (maybe 4) and by the time anyone hired fairly recently was senior enough we will either have a new generation of very large business jets or we will have no very large business jets. I was hired this year and I doubt I'll ever even be in even a Falcon 2000 classic since it will take a long time to have the seniority to hold it and there will most likely be a new generation of airframes before I have the seniority. I already have over 300 behind me, but I need to move up quite a bit and we need to aquire many, many airplanes for me to hold any captain slot- years from now. NJA does fly the G-200, but even that takes at least 6 years of seniority to hold as a captain. Newhires can get anything under the BBJ, G-IV and V (at NJI), and the Falcon 2000EZ and guys with over 2 years of seniority have been slowly trickling over to the G-IV as FOs and I think we have 2 guys with at least 2 or 3 years of seniority as the most junior on the 2000EZ. The pay is greater on all of these aircraft so they are obviously more senior. I also believe that the "FOs" on the BBJ are all on captain bypass pay which didn't really change on the new contract for the BBJ.

I would plan on being an F/O for 2-3 years in anything from the Ultra to the Falcon on year 1. After 2 years you will have the option to transition over to NJI to fly the G4 as an F/O if you like.

When you upgrade it will likely be to the Ultra/Encore, the 400XP or the Excel.

You will likely spend your career flying CLASS 1 and CLASS 2 pay airplanes.

You might see a CLASS 3 (DA-2000, G-200) plane in your tenure here if you have several decades to blow.

I am not holding my breath on a CLASS 4 (Falcon7X) in my lifetime with 5 years of seniority.

CLASS 5 (BBJ)?? What is that?? I only see them on static demo occasionally. We have 2.

Just curious I am 26 years old and wondering how spending at least 34 years in a company wouldn't put you VERY high on the seniority list? Unless you guys have some guys that are going to keep their first class med's till they are 80 or some 20 year olds on property now, the new hire would eventually hold a class 4 right...maybe 15 years but still. Just wondering I guess its not that big a deal.

XtremeF150

Out of around 1500 pilots who responded to their age as of May of 2006, there was about one third over 45 years old. We currently have about 2600 pilots and I can't say for sure that the results fully represent the pilot group as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if overall less than 1/3 currently here are over 45. I would also have to guess that with how people are living longer and needing more money for retirement and how medicare doesn't start until 65, there will be alot of guys truckin' here until 65. That means Class IV as it currently stands is a very unlikely Captain position for a newhire for at least 20 years (probably longer). We have very few Class IV and above and it's hard to say how things will turn out with any single carrier petition with NJI and/ or the growth of bigger airplanes going to NJEurope. NJA could end up with mostly Class III and below (like it presently is) for our entire careers. I'm coming into my mid 30s with a little over 300 pilots behind me. I'm guessing I'll be flying for another 30 years if I don't screw up. I think I'll be pretty lucky to see a class IV captain slot. At least the company tends to keep the CA/ FO ration at about 60/40, but there are just very, very few bigger airplanes and you've gotta figure that part of our flying will never be a very high percentage of our overall fleet. Pretty much all our customers are loaded more than any of us will ever see, but even most of them are not loaded enough to fly around in a big Falcon or Gulfstream. I'm guessing FO salaries will eventually get pushed high enough for more to consider it long term to fly the bigger airplanes and I also have to guess that eventually we will not grow so fast and we'll have a lot of long term FOs who won't have the option of upgrade for a long, long time. The right seat on something big is probably all that most new guys will ever see (on the big side) since CA pay will probably always be higher in the smallest airplanes than the right seat in the big ones. At 26 years old, I'd say you would have a good shot at something big, but not for a long, long time.

New Aircraft
 

Well I assume the payscale on these new Falcon 7X will be the same as the CAT IV aircraft. Has anyone heard yet if this is the case?
Any exact numbers on how many Falcons and Hawkers will be delivered in 2007?

XtremeF150

If NJA gets any 7x's they will be class IV pay, but currently management has only indicated that NJE (Europe) is getting them with a possibility of NJA getting some. The word amongst NJA pilots is that NJE will probably get all of them and they will be used to perform the majority of the transatlantic flights. This means class IV will remain a tiny fraction of NJA operations unless NJI gets brought into the fold, but that is years away if it happens and nobody knows what will happen if a single carrier petition is filed.

I'm not sure how many Hawkers will be delivered in 07. I can't remember when the 900 was going to be certified ('07 or '08) and the 750s will all go to NJE (I think they will be certified a year after the 900s). We may or may not start getting the Hawker 4000s soon. I think we have 50 on order, but they have been pretty unsuccessful at certifying it over the last 5 years.