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tomgoodman 11-13-2016 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Oooo (Post 2242435)
The guys who die in the seat are aways <60 year old, "healthy", and runners

It's not running and being healthy that does them in ... it's bragging about these things.
That invites the Karma Fairy to strike! ;)

mooneymite 05-20-2017 04:35 AM

Interesting that the NetJets pilot union just announced it would not take part in any discussion about a mandatory retirement age.

Makes one wonder what's going on behind the scenes to require such a statement.

Jetlife 05-20-2017 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2366375)
Interesting that the NetJets pilot union just announced it would not take part in any discussion about a mandatory retirement age.

Makes one wonder what's going on behind the scenes to require such a statement.

Old pilots are a liability. Word is that owners want a retirement age as well as the company.

GeeWizDriver 05-22-2017 12:07 AM

If the company wants a mandatory retirement age, their best avenue is to approach all those Congressmen and Senators that Uncle Warren has in his pockets like so many nickels and dimes. They can drive a regulatory change within Part 135/91K to harmonize with Part 121. One level of safety, right?

As a top 500, large cabin PIC with little more than a decade til age 65, I would WELCOME mandatory retirement. It SLAYS me how the usual suspects within the union can defend the fact that we have more than 220 pilots over the age of 65 including NINE over the age of SEVENTY-FIVE!!?!??!!???

mooneymite 05-22-2017 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 2367222)
If the company wants a mandatory retirement age, their best avenue is to approach all those Congressmen and Senators that Uncle Warren has in his pockets like so many nickels and dimes. They can drive a regulatory change within Part 135/91K to harmonize with Part 121.........

With the looming pilot shortage and the upward pressure on wages, I doubt that there's much support for mandatory retirement age in congress, or in the investment community. A couple of age related crashes could change that, but so far there's not much data pointing to old pilots being a safety hazard...just anecdotal stories told by junior pilots whose motives may be tinged with a desire to move up.

If old pilots ARE really a hazard, we should quantify/qualify how and at what point. I suspect such a surgical knife could cut in unexpected directions.

It was interesting to see how many over-65 pilots there are. I wonder when the first over-80 pilot will appear in the stats.

Nachomamma 05-22-2017 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2367241)
If old pilots ARE really a hazard, we should quantify/qualify how and at what point.

Exxon already did that. Sound, repeatable, irrefutable medical evidence by a myriad of medical professionals.


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2367241)
I wonder when the first over-80 pilot will appear in the stats.

Next year...3 of them. But they just really like to fly - isn't that adorable?

Sputnik 05-22-2017 07:04 AM

Exxon? Got a link?

Ni hao 05-22-2017 09:07 AM

I know of several retired pilots age 75+ who are APPLYING to Netjets LOL :D

mooneymite 05-22-2017 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Nachomamma (Post 2367277)
Exxon already did that. Sound, repeatable, irrefutable medical evidence by a myriad of medical professionals.

I'm curious as to the criteria used and they were applied to all pilots, or just those in a particular age group.

Does Exxon have an age restriction, or a physical/mental accuity test?

Ni hao 05-22-2017 10:29 AM

The Fifth Circuit grounded the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's bid Tuesday to revive an age discrimination suit over a mandatory retirement policy for Exxon Mobil Corp. pilots, saying Exxon established that it had to rely on age in the name of safety.
A three-judge panel upheld a trial court's decision to grant summary judgment to Exxon — which employs pilots to fly corporate jets — and ruled that the challenged age requirement was a “bona fide occupational qualification” despite the EEOC's argument that the appeals court should reverse and clear the case for trial without further delay.

The EEOC, who sued Exxon in 2006 on behalf of two pilots who said their forced retirement at age 60 violated the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, said that the safety rationale behind the age-based ban didn't hold water.


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