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Salukipilot4590 05-04-2017 10:42 AM

Viva Las Vegas!
 
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...cal-crew-base/

Trowserchilli 05-04-2017 11:06 AM

Great news.

But 2018? I hope that's an error.

"The move would allow pilots and flight attendants to begin and end their trips at the new crew base by the end of 2018, Oliver said."

etflies 05-04-2017 11:07 AM

I'm hoping the 2018 is inaccurate too. Either way, it's the most solid thing we've seen for a domicile most everyone has been expecting for quite a while now.

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DrJekyll MrHyde 05-04-2017 11:29 AM

A 1.5 year notice for the opening of a crew base? I don't think so. If a vacancy publishes in the next few days it will have base transfer and upgrade effective dates for August. That would be notifying us at the absolute last moment, and that would be in line with the style of this scumbag management group.

madmax757 05-04-2017 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by etflies (Post 2357317)
I'm hoping the 2018 is inaccurate too. Either way, it's the most solid thing we've seen for a domicile most everyone has been expecting for quite a while now.

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Any announcement in Comply yet? Odd we find out about our new base in a news article .

etflies 05-04-2017 11:35 AM

There's something on myfrontier that more or less parrots the article posted, but the date is left out. I can't update comply at the moment so I'm not sure about that yet.

PulledBreaker 05-04-2017 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 2357336)
Any announcement in Comply yet?

Nada


Filler

DrJekyll MrHyde 05-04-2017 01:05 PM

Oh my! I have spoken too soon. A very detailed memo from Jimmy on Comply. Loads of information, see for yourselves.

madmax757 05-04-2017 01:10 PM

Looking at the new city pairs and scheduled times for Las Vegas, It seems like they could have quite a few out and backs / 1 day trips.

LAS to DSM
LAS to CID
LAS to MSN
LAS to MEM
LAs to BIS
LAS to IND
LAS to FSD - all are between 6-8 hours block

skater3260 05-04-2017 01:13 PM

Still skeptical. Their minds may change in the next four minutes.

FlyingR6 05-04-2017 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 2357398)
Oh my! I have spoken too soon. A very detailed memo from Jimmy on Comply. Loads of information, see for yourselves.

I can't believe he got so many details in so few words!

...Typical

Arty13 05-04-2017 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by skater3260 (Post 2357404)
Still skeptical. Their minds may change in the next four minutes.

^^^ This ^^^

PulledBreaker 05-04-2017 02:19 PM

Any guesses on how senior it'll go?

astaz 05-04-2017 02:23 PM

Several G4 routes in that mix. Wonder if these will all be daily.


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 2357401)
Looking at the new city pairs and scheduled times for Las Vegas, It seems like they could have quite a few out and backs / 1 day trips.

LAS to DSM
LAS to CID
LAS to MSN
LAS to MEM
LAs to BIS
LAS to IND
LAS to FSD - all are between 6-8 hours block


AncientAliens 05-04-2017 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by PulledBreaker (Post 2357454)
Any guesses on how senior it'll go?

I'm guessing similar to Denver, senior at the top, junior at the bottom. Will be a much easier commute for pilots from Western and Southwestern states than Denver is. Just a guess but looks like the schedule will probably consist mostly of turns and a $/@;load of 4 days that will almost certainly begin with a redeye. I heard a rumor that they wanted 130 crews in LAS and that DEN would eventually shrink to about 200. Have no idea whether that is accurate but it seems to make sense.

Blueskies67 05-04-2017 02:47 PM

All of those new flights start mid August.

Trowserchilli 05-04-2017 02:50 PM

Ok congrats to the folks who bet on LAS.

Where next?

My monies on PHL this time next year.

PulledBreaker 05-04-2017 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Blueskies67 (Post 2357472)
All of those new flights start mid August.

Then we should see the VSA this month, being that our CBA requires a 60 day notice.

Aero1900 05-04-2017 04:11 PM

Does anyone remember how much noticed they gave when they opened Orlando? I feel like it was about 3 months. I doubt Vegas will open in 60 days, or at the end of 2018.

I thought Denver was going to shrink to 250 and then build back up to 300? Not shrink to 200, that sounds like way too few crews to me.

Vegas sure will be an easy commute. I bet a fair amount of guys who commute to Chicago and Orlando from Denver will bid Vegas. I'm betting Vegas goes more senior than both Chicago and Orlando.

PulledBreaker 05-04-2017 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2357533)
Does anyone remember how much noticed they gave when they opened Orlando?

June 4th is the date of the memo in Comply. Didn't MCO open in Sept?

madmax757 05-04-2017 04:56 PM

Vegas sure will be an easy commute. I bet a fair amount of guys who commute to Chicago and Orlando from Denver will bid Vegas. I'm betting Vegas goes more senior than both Chicago and Orlando.[/QUOTE]

I think it will go senior for captains and pretty junior for FOs . Most FOs in ORD and MCO want to be there. Lots of career FOs in DEN. Commute definately easier for Denver peeps and anyone west coast.

TurboFanMan 05-04-2017 05:17 PM

It's gonna get interesting to say the least. There's a BIG crowd of captains in ORD, because they can't hold anything in DEN. There's also a large amount of DEN captains that are west coast guys. The same can be said for MCO. This is gonna be a complete shake down at all bases. Tons of moment over 3 to 4 months of its opening.
Time will tell, but that's my opinion.

Aero1900 05-04-2017 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by TurboFanMan (Post 2357586)
It's gonna get interesting to say the least. There's a BIG crowd of captains in ORD, because they can't hold anything in DEN. There's also a large amount of DEN captains that are west coast guys. The same can be said for MCO. This is gonna be a complete shake down at all bases. Tons of moment over 3 to 4 months of its opening.
Time will tell, but that's my opinion.

I agree. I think this will shake up the seniority list a lot. I think a lot of Chicago captains will bid Vegas, making room for some junior captain spots there. I think Vegas will end up being fairly senior for captains. How many reserve Denver captains are willing to commute to Vegas to hold a line? Will any junior line holding Denver captains bid Vegas to hold a better line? Probably not, I'd think, even though I suspect it's one of the easiest commutes. I'd also guess a fair number of Orlando guys will bid Vegas.

What will this do for future Denver captain spots?

motorboatin 05-04-2017 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by AncientAliens (Post 2357471)
I'm guessing similar to Denver, senior at the top, junior at the bottom. Will be a much easier commute for pilots from Western and Southwestern states than Denver is. Just a guess but looks like the schedule will probably consist mostly of turns and a $/@;load of 4 days that will almost certainly begin with a redeye. I heard a rumor that they wanted 130 crews in LAS and that DEN would eventually shrink to about 200. Have no idea whether that is accurate but it seems to make sense.

Ok great rumor...seriously, who the fuuuk believes this nonsense?? Why don't you just see how things shake out instead of trying to start crap and worry people with Sky Is Falling type of lunacy. Vegas is a good thing for now. Btw, what you say makes NO sense, AT ALL!

DrJekyll MrHyde 05-04-2017 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 2357599)
I agree. I think this will shake up the seniority list a lot. I think a lot of Chicago captains will bid Vegas, making room for some junior captain spots there. I think Vegas will end up being fairly senior for captains. How many reserve Denver captains are willing to commute to Vegas to hold a line? Will any junior line holding Denver captains bid Vegas to hold a better line? Probably not, I'd think, even though I suspect it's one of the easiest commutes. I'd also guess a fair number of Orlando guys will bid Vegas.

What will this do for future Denver captain spots?

I would say very little at first. Opening a Vegas base will allow them to cut a lot of lines out of Denver, so anybody coming out of DEN to go to LAS won't need to be backfilled by junior CAs. That said, LAS is still going to be a great base for anyone wanting to live and commute in the west (and we obviously have several that fall into that category). So overall it should have a positive effect for this pilot group. If you are a junior CA wanting to get back to DEN, I think you'll be disappointed.

AncientAliens 05-04-2017 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by motorboatin (Post 2357622)
Ok great rumor...seriously, who the fuuuk believes this nonsense?? Why don't you just see how things shake out instead of trying to start crap and worry people with Sky Is Falling type of lunacy. Vegas is a good thing for now. Btw, what you say makes NO sense, AT ALL!

Duuuuuddddeeee chill... Like I said, it's a rumor. Came from someone I trust who has frequent contact with the company who also said a couple months ago that Vegas would open Aug 1st which looks like the truth. It could be total BS, it could be 100% true. I have no effing idea. That's what these boards are for, speculation.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 05-04-2017 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 2357477)
Ok congrats to the folks who bet on LAS.

Where next?

My monies on PHL this time next year.

I'm guessing FLL, DFW, DTW...you see where I'm going with this?

Trowserchilli 05-05-2017 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2357688)
I'm guessing FLL, DFW, DTW...you see where I'm going with this?

Yup.
If I were going to bed on a merger with someone that's the one I'd bet on.

Your looking forward to a DTW base, aren't you.

wt932051 05-05-2017 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by AncientAliens (Post 2357471)
I'm guessing similar to Denver, senior at the top, junior at the bottom. Will be a much easier commute for pilots from Western and Southwestern states than Denver is. Just a guess but looks like the schedule will probably consist mostly of turns and a $/@;load of 4 days that will almost certainly begin with a redeye. I heard a rumor that they wanted 130 crews in LAS and that DEN would eventually shrink to about 200. Have no idea whether that is accurate but it seems to make sense.

This actually sounds legit. Vegas is great for those who want it, bad for those who like Denver as a base. Really simple. Quite a bit of flying currently from Denver will be moved to Vegas. If you think otherwise you are kidding yourself. That is why they are opening LAS. There will be less need for 300 plus crews in Denver at the moment. More like 200 if LAS is at 100 crews. Not to say over time as we add more flying Denver won't grow in size again but 300 crews was probably the biggest you will see it for a few years. It is about to shrink by 100. That is what I was expecting with the shift in flying anyway. I'm use to getting displaced. I hate it but I see it coming for many if they don't get enough to bid LAS. They sure are not going to shrink MCO or ORD. They also are clearly not doing a mass hiring event to staff LAS so the logical choice is to watch Denver shrink as a domicile as the pilots bid or get displaced to staff LAS.

F9 Driver 05-05-2017 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 2357401)
Looking at the new city pairs and scheduled times for Las Vegas, It seems like they could have quite a few out and backs / 1 day trips.

LAS to DSM
LAS to CID
LAS to MSN
LAS to MEM
LAs to BIS
LAS to IND
LAS to FSD - all are between 6-8 hours block


Ideal for commuters

TurboFanMan 05-05-2017 07:53 AM

9 departures a day out of O'Hare. I don't think there's any room for shrinkage.
Lol

dsligon 05-05-2017 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by AncientAliens (Post 2357642)
Duuuuuddddeeee chill... Like I said, it's a rumor. Came from someone I trust who has frequent contact with the company who also said a couple months ago that Vegas would open Aug 1st which looks like the truth. It could be total BS, it could be 100% true. I have no effing idea. That's what these boards are for, speculation.



I've seen the same "picture" / rumor about the shrink in denver and it's from somebody I really trust. Honestly it doesn't make long term sense but to help vegas spin up maybe they need they extra staffing. Who knows !


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AncientAliens 05-05-2017 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by dsligon (Post 2358002)
I've seen the same "picture" / rumor about the shrink in denver and it's from somebody I really trust. Honestly it doesn't make long term sense but to help vegas spin up maybe they need they extra staffing. Who knows !


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We have too many crews and flights for the amount of gates in Denver. Right now DEN is the chokepoint in the system. Unless we somehow get our gates back that's not going to change.

I really wouldn't worry about getting involuntarily displaced. Indigo is allergic to spending money, especially on its employees. There's no way they plan on spending thousands of dollars per pilot to move crews to LAS. There are quite a few people on the CAP and FO side who prefer LAS to DEN so any attrition will most likely be voluntary.

Salukipilot4590 05-05-2017 11:29 AM

New email from Jim says "later this year." My bet is first week of August with a VSA coming out either today or Monday.

madmax757 05-14-2017 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 2358029)
New email from Jim says "later this year." My bet is first week of August with a VSA coming out either today or Monday.

Is it 60 or 90 days per contract to put out the VSA? I spent an hour on the CBA and couldn't find it.

sab1250 05-14-2017 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 2363821)
Is it 60 or 90 days per contract to put out the VSA? I spent an hour on the CBA and couldn't find it.

I'm not sure as to what it says in the contract, as I don't have it handy, but I just looked at all the VSA's from 2017, and all the normal ones (i.e. Not a small bid for dropouts of upgrade) were in the 3 month out range (not exact but close enough) for base transfers.

OpenClimb 05-15-2017 03:36 PM

Hypothetically...
 
Under the category of "Never Say Never," if a person wanted to live in Vegas, what's a good part of town? I'd be fine with a 50+ neighborhood with few children. A gated community might be nice. Golf course, water, or mountains would be cool. Would want to stay within an hour or so of the airport. Price not hugely critical or constrained because I don't have anything but the house payment pulling on my finances.

I've poked around a bit on realtor.com, but it's tough to know what I'm looking at with no prior knowledge of the area. I'd rather stay away from the mass builder (Lenar, KB Homes, etc.) neighborhoods.

My knowledge of Vegas is limited to airline overnights.

Any suggestions on where to start looking? Thanks in advance.

DrJekyll MrHyde 05-15-2017 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2364168)
Under the category of "Never Say Never," if a person wanted to live in Vegas, what's a good part of town? I'd be fine with a 50+ neighborhood with few children. A gated community might be nice. Golf course, water, or mountains would be cool. Would want to stay within an hour or so of the airport. Price not hugely critical or constrained because I don't have anything but the house payment pulling on my finances.

I've poked around a bit on realtor.com, but it's tough to know what I'm looking at with no prior knowledge of the area. I'd rather stay away from the mass builder (Lenar, KB Homes, etc.) neighborhoods.

My knowledge of Vegas is limited to airline overnights.

Any suggestions on where to start looking? Thanks in advance.

I hear Summerlin is nice, it's out on the western edge of the city.

Bolo 05-15-2017 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 2364180)
I hear Summerlin is nice, it's out on the western edge of the city.


Agree with above. Summerlin!

OpenClimb 05-15-2017 04:34 PM

Just poked around the Summerlin website. I'm impressed. 40 minute drive with half the route showing red right now because it's rush hour. Better than what I'm driving now based in DEN.

A change of domicile for me would be a really big deal, so it's a low probability, but who knows with this job. I'd probably only do it if I could be in the top 25-30% and I'd probably wait a year or two to see how it shakes out. Heck, by then the merger with Allegiant might be completed! :-)

Thanks very much for the suggestions.


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