Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

You are clueless my friend.

“Full retro”? Yeah Good ****ing luck. We are getting slammed by the Mediator (Spirit) and she already thinks the company offer was generous. It was a fraction of full retro, ZERO PS and no ****ing work rules


You are in for a rude awaking

Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

You are clueless my friend.

“Full retro”? Yeah Good ****ing luck. We are getting slammed by the Mediator (Spirit) and she already thinks the company offer was generous. It was a fraction of full retro, ZERO PS and no ****ing work rules


You are in for a rude awaking

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Don’t lower their expectations, it’s poisonous. Our reality hopefully won’t be theirs. It will be a battle for sure though because the NMB is out of their minds.

Originally Posted by DFWLECNOW

Well it sounds like we are forced to bargain PBS and they (F9) aren't. I'd say that's a positive for F9 ALPA.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

The Spirit NC claims Franke hasn’t proposed PBS yet because his pay proposals have been so low that it would look like overreaching. He learned from the Spirit strike you can’t look crazy unreasonable. He’s just stalling. If he comes up on pay (big if) he will look for pbs too.

Tell your NC do not send out a below industry standard TA. These management teams have the NMB convinced they deserve cheap pilots because they make their revenue a la carte. It’s a racket!

Originally Posted by Powderkeg

Honest question: how would the Spirit NC know what Franke had or had not proposed?

Originally Posted by Powderkeg

Honest question: how would the Spirit NC know what Franke had or had not proposed?

Originally Posted by Aero1900

To the best of my knowledge, here is what I see the fleet plan being.

This is based on the current aircraft delivery schedule, and the lease return dates. All of this information is available online. The lease return dates are all published on the myfrontier site, in the maintenance section. There is a list of the all aircraft, and it lists the lease end date. So far, nearly every aircraft that we have had a lease expire on, we have given back. I will assume that trend continues, and all current aircraft will go bye bye as their lease runs out. Also, I certainly don't have the year by year delivery of the aircraft that were just ordered.

Here are the lease return dates going forward:

2018: 13
2019: 2
2020: 3
2021: 1
2022: 4
2023: 7
2024: 4
2025: 1
2026: 0
2027: 5

Here are the number of aircraft deliveries:

2018: 16 (some delayed 2017s will increase this #)
2019: 18
2020: 18
2021: 13
The new order of 134 aircraft is supposed to begin in 2021, probably after our last original NEO order is delivered in 2021. The 134 aircraft should be delivered between 2021 and 2026. That should mean about 22 aircraft per year.

The current fleet sits at: 72. There are a few delayed NEOs that should have been here by now, but Airbus is running a little delayed on deliveries.

Looking at the lease return dates, I believe the fleet will be:

Year End 2018: 78
YE 2019: 94
YE 2020: 109
YE 2021: 121
Assuming 22 airplanes per year for this new order:
YE 2022: 139
YE 2023: 154
YE 2024: 172
YE 2025: 193
YE 2026: 215
YE 2027: 210
YE 2028: 200

Note: growth in 2018 is still very small. Always has been. 2018 will only see a net gain of a few planes, but stating in 2019 the fleet starts growing much faster and grows to peak in 2026, after which a lot of a new planes leases begin to run out.

Now, about that contract....