Tax reform and negotiations
#11
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Not that it will directly correlate to our negotiations but Spirit entered into mediation roughly around the same time as Frontier. So if you’re comparing apples to apples, it would be based upon when we entered mediation, not when we began with our early openers.
Ok thanks, not sure exactly where you are regarding mediation, but going off gut feelings and personal opinion only, how much longer to probably reaching a TA?
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Logic would have put mediation ending on 29SEP after they had met twice per month, every month, for the previous 6 months. 29SEP was the end-date, but then they scheduled “just one more session” in mid November. And then 3 months will have passed when they return to the negotiating table this month. Every day that passes under our old contract is punishment for our pilot group and a win for the company, but the NMB apparently doesn’t give two sh!ts. We’re beyond anything logical at this point, the mediation schedule has lost any reasoning. We’re subject to the NMB’s unknown political agenda, so there is no way to determine or even guess at a true end-date. Supposedly Spirit’s recent TA is supposed to give the NMB the proof it needs to deem the company’s last offer as ridiculously lacking; it’s really just their latest excuse to kick the can. Their just a bunch of spineless politicians, and ALPA is too fearful to set them straight because the RLA process is the only bargaining process we possess. And the NMB can suspend that process and provide no reason to our group. They are accountable to no one except the people that appointed them. We’ve got a better chance of starting a letter campaign to Trump to receive help than getting released by the NMB because it’s logically the correct thing for them to do.
#13
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What did they tell you in the interview? Take that number and double it and the add 1 year.....for everything. Upgrade...Contract etc..
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Logic would have put mediation ending on 29SEP after they had met twice per month, every month, for the previous 6 months. 29SEP was the end-date, but then they scheduled “just one more session” in mid November. And then 3 months will have passed when they return to the negotiating table this month. Every day that passes under our old contract is punishment for our pilot group and a win for the company, but the NMB apparently doesn’t give two sh!ts. We’re beyond anything logical at this point, the mediation schedule has lost any reasoning. We’re subject to the NMB’s unknown political agenda, so there is no way to determine or even guess at a true end-date. Supposedly Spirit’s recent TA is supposed to give the NMB the proof it needs to deem the company’s last offer as ridiculously lacking; it’s really just their latest excuse to kick the can. Their just a bunch of spineless politicians, and ALPA is too fearful to set them straight because the RLA process is the only bargaining process we possess. And the NMB can suspend that process and provide no reason to our group. They are accountable to no one except the people that appointed them. We’ve got a better chance of starting a letter campaign to Trump to receive help than getting released by the NMB because it’s logically the correct thing for them to do.
In addition...the railroad is up for mediation this summer and they take priority, if were not done we will get “back burrnered” for who knows how long......
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#16
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ALPA reps spoke to us recently in recurrent GS and they did say the NMB would like to have us and Jet Blue settled before going into the railroad negotiations. I believe we are the only two left dealing w/ the NMB if Spirit TA passes?
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The spouse, parents, & kids fly standby for free on Frontier and have the same access to ZEDs that you do. The substitutes fly standby on Frontier at a reduced rate (around $36 per segment) and you can designate 1 of them to have limited access to certain ZEDs.
I have my wife, kids, and in-laws listed on my benefits. My mother-in-law is the one I've designated for ZEDs. She flies JetBlue several times a year using that.
#19
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Listed how? On your benefits? For a flight? I'm assuming you mean on your benefits so I'll answer that. You may have your spouse, mom, dad, and children. If you don't want to list your spouse (because you don't have one) or your parents (because they don't travel) then you can choose a substitute for any of them.
The spouse, parents, & kids fly standby for free on Frontier and have the same access to ZEDs that you do. The substitutes fly standby on Frontier at a reduced rate (around $36 per segment) and you can designate 1 of them to have limited access to certain ZEDs.
I have my wife, kids, and in-laws listed on my benefits. My mother-in-law is the one I've designated for ZEDs. She flies JetBlue several times a year using that.
The spouse, parents, & kids fly standby for free on Frontier and have the same access to ZEDs that you do. The substitutes fly standby on Frontier at a reduced rate (around $36 per segment) and you can designate 1 of them to have limited access to certain ZEDs.
I have my wife, kids, and in-laws listed on my benefits. My mother-in-law is the one I've designated for ZEDs. She flies JetBlue several times a year using that.
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