Captain books 300+ credit hours
 

I can’t believe that a captain can do it, but 307 hours of credit in ONE MONTH stands as the new record. With this kind of can-do attitude, we no longer have to search for the no gag reflex award winner of the year. Thanks doo shh...:mad:

Is that really all you do on your overnights?

So vacation month and pick up nothing but trips with incentive time? I have no idea how it would otherwise be possible.

Some guys are picking up time out of their domicile.

Is this the official start of our very own TRO that results in Prefbid?

Troll and TRO baiting on one thread, that’s a new record too. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

So...he didn't fly 307 hours.

ICGAF

Oh, so what??? E.A.D....

I think I may go pick up a trip right now.... just because of this thread. :cool:

Did he pick up the time as allowed by the current contract? If so, then you have NOTHING to complain about.

Now if he did it outside the contract by making deals with the crew scheduler, then that becomes an issue.

Everyone should use the contract to their individual benefit. If one pilot likes to drop down to minimums to extend his days off is that a problem? Why then if another sells his vacation back and flies a full month is that a problem?

Fly the contract. Maximize it to YOUR PERSONAL benefit. There's nothing wrong with that.

Whoring yourself out for VJA’s is self serving and selfish.

So is posting a message anonymously on an internet board which could be construed as encouraging a work stoppage when we are closer than ever to getting released. Grow up.

Mmmm some of y’all just wanna hang a TRO on your wall at home don’t ya?

A United A320 CA would only have to credit about 189 hours to our 300+ to get the same paycheck. That isn't including retirement and other benefits. The point is that he is an outlier. None of us should have to kill ourselves (with what I can only assume was a fatiguing schedule) during vacation months to make up for the difference in compensation in all of the other months.

That is interesting logic. So, you are sitting in the "waiting room" on the 28th of the month in order to pick open time at straight pay as the lowest paid pilot in the business. However, you call a fellow co-worker "selfish" and "self serving" simply picking up a premium trip in order to make up for some lost ground in terms of industry standard pay. I think your line of thinking is quite vacuous. I'll hold out to be paid what we are worth, thank you!

Picking up incentivised trips helps the company, period.

You couldn’t just let this thread that has all the makings of a Spirit TRO redux die. I copied and edited a post of yours from another thread, hoping you’d take your own advice...

Doesn’t it seem very opportune to everybody that we are a tad understaffed, and incentives are going out left and right? Heck they’re giving rediculous incentives. Of course somebody is going to do a turn for 20 hrs. They want people to pick it up and they want it to be visible. It’s bait! Just like this thread starting the day we requested the NMB to advance us along our RLA path. It’s too convenient. Just laugh it off that the company is paying a Captain 300 hours, if I could do it, I would, and everyone knows how I feel about this group of greedy SOB management/ownership. They’ve been stealing money out of my pocket ever since I started working here. Thankfully that will soon be over with. First rule is get the group to devide and turn against each other. Take a deep breath, and wait for the process to develop. We are probably going to be dealing with this all summer waiting for the NMB. The union leadership has been very clear about keeping on doing as you have been all along. So as I said before, there is going to be nothing interesting coming from this thread. Let it die.

In fact I have a challenge. Do not post anything else on this thread unless you are a company troll.

No where did I imply anyone to NOT pickup VJA’s. But, 300+ hours by one individual is a bit excessive, self serving, and selfish. Do you not see this? You are the one that needs to grow up!

I never said or implied anyone to not pickup VJA’s. Only pointing out one individuals “work ethic”. Stay home or pickup I don’t care. It doesn’t matter what your stance is on that issue and mine isn’t implying a TRO. BUH BYE!

What is a TRO?

Temporary restraining order.

TRO = Temporary Restraining Order.

Judges issue it to keep pilots in line and compliant.

Got it, thanks.

300 hours of credit isn't that hard if you're willing to red eye all over the system and then fly all day.

This individual puts his own profits above safety. Sound familiar...

In my humble opinion, 1.25x (for +82 hrs and VJA) and 1.5x for JA are all benefits that we fought for in our current contract. It penalizes the company for poor planning and rewards the pilot on a COMPLETELY volunteer basis. It is a work rule benefit to pilots and takes money (legally) out of Indigo's pocket.

With all the incentivized trips out there, some willing pilots have been getting "future" contract payrates long before we sign the actual contract. I have seen effective pay rates in the $800+ per hour range for some trips. Its a nice alternative - if you choose - until we have a new contract. AND it's a great big F.U. to Indigo and their unwillingness or inability to properly staff this airline. Oh yeah, and it keeps us looking like the super cooperative work group to the NMB which is kind of the whole idea (for now...) and avoids that TRO.

If you think that this is somehow "selfish and self serving" (isn't that redundant?) then I respectfully disagree.

Kinda like Henry Hill said in Goodfellas... "Dont wanna hire enough pilots?
F.U. Pay me."
"CAN'T hire enough pilots because you pay crappy wages...
F.U. Pay me."
"Wanna build crappy trips that always get dropped into open time...
F.U. Pay me."

Kinda like Henry Hill said in Goodfellas... "Dont wanna hire enough pilots?
F.U. Pay me."
"CAN'T hire enough pilots because you pay crappy wages...
F.U. Pay me."
"Wanna build crappy trips that always get dropped into open time...
F.U. Pay me."


Classic!!!

More to the story...
 

Seems prostans has had a couple chat with our busy little beaver. He was redeyeing in to a 12 duty day and SLEEPING MOST OF THE FLIGHTS HE PICKED UP! A low level revolt of FO’s made it clear that’s not acceptable.....now is ok to wait for Barry’s shake?

Sounds like an FAR violation showing up for work like that - opinions ?

I don't think you understand the function of "prostans".

[QUOTE=Harry Canyon;2586980]In my humble opinion, 1.25x (for +82 hrs and VJA) and 1.5x for JA are all benefits that we fought for in our current contract. It penalizes the company for poor planning and rewards the pilot on a COMPLETELY volunteer basis. It is a work rule benefit to pilots and takes money (legally) out of Indigo's pocket.

With all the incentivized trips out there, some willing pilots have been getting "future" contract payrates long before we sign the actual contract. I have seen effective pay rates in the $800+ per hour range for some trips. Its a nice alternative - if you choose - until we have a new contract. AND it's a great big F.U. to Indigo and their unwillingness or inability to properly staff this airline. Oh yeah, and it keeps us looking like the super cooperative work group to the NMB which is kind of the whole idea (for now...) and avoids that TRO. QUOTE]

And the company is arguing in their letter to the NMB that they are "saddled with an exorbitant credit to block ratio which render Frontier unable to run the airline"....Ha.....Ummm they are the ones offering all the incentive pay!!

Which they’re doing on purpose btw in order to try to build a case for these claims.

This and there is significant inefficiency in the style of point to point flying we're doing these days.

They've also been understaffed on the CA side of things in both MCO and LAS. As a DEN reserve guy, I would estimate at least 1:/2 my assignments begin and/or end with a deadhead to or from MCO or LAS.

Further, even when I'm not deadheading around to cover flying in other domiciles, I'd estimate at least a third of my flying is spent in the passenger compartment versus the left seat.

My message to the Company would be to stop building such inefficient pairings and ...wait for it... efficiency will improve! Seems axiomatic to me, but apparently not readily apparent to those at the puzzle palace.

Just saw the jetblue rates.

Did I mention "F.U....Pay Me"?

Yep. Lot's of people seem to be helping.

What part of "status quo" is so ****ing complicated?

That's gross.

Will you guys knock it off please? You're just not gonna be happy till we have a TRO and Pref Bid. It just takes a few idiots to ruin it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a public forum.

Lol pretty sure the judge might disagree with you but we’ll see since y’all just can’t stop.

The bottom line is it doesn’t matter what is said on an online forum. Yes, it could potentially be used as evidence in a case, but that would only happen if pilots stopped picking up at a rate that can be statistically documented.

Guess what, if that documented work slowdown happens with no written documentation (online forums, emails, texts, etc) the company will still get a TRO against the pilots.

This whole system is completely rigged. The ONLY things we have as a pilot group are 1) getting released to self-help (very unlikely) and 2) a no vote if the TA is not up to snuff.

Pickets, billboards, radio ads, and not picking up extra flying all may make us feel good but that doesn’t get us a market contract. I’m not knocking pickets as they do help show unity, but we really only have 2 ways to get a deal we deserve. The rest is a dog and pony show.