Vote no on what? What if you get a $1,000,000 in retro!

Also from what I understand we do no want any retro money to be labeled as a "bonus" from the company because of much higher tax rates. Does this sound correct? And of course it is absolutely not a bonus.

Hawaiian paid the difference between new rate and old rate at 81 credits a month. Seems to be as fair as you can get.

This is a common misconception. Either way the taxes are the same. Large payments made at once (be it retro, bonus, etc) are WITHHELD at a higher rate. The reason for this is the company projects that income on a monthly basis. In other words if they pay you $40,000 at once then they project you to make at least $480,000 that year ($40k*12 months). Someone making that money pays more taxes then someone making $100k/year.

The good news is at any rate, you get back the tax overpayment in a refund when you file.

This.

Plus, looking at the agreed to LTD plan, it's apparent no one is thinking about tax implications.

Ahh.. ok thanks for explaining. That makes sense.

Way to go Mr. Pedantic.

Please consider probability versus possibility.

The hourly rate ask is too low. Reserve rules weren’t fixed and are arguably worse than current book, long term disability still isn’t own occupation, per diem is industry trailing, we didn’t even ask for profit sharing, I don’t believe we will be seeing the ability to drop down to zero credit like Delta and (I believe) Spirit, Aaaaaand we’ve already agreed to a 5 year deal.

While it’s **possible** that all these things will be fixed in the 11th hour, it’s not **probable**. Hence, my no vote.

If we only have to fly on Wednesday's, does that mean every Wednesday? Seriously....there is nothing to vote on, not even bullet points from an AIP. Not even bullet points from a mediation session for that matter. This post is about as ridiculous as the guy posting about the GOA. Relax.

Either you haven’t been paying attention or you’re not an F9 person. Yes, in fact, we do have bullet points from mediation sessions that confirm each of the points I referred to in my post. To the extent negotiation update emails do not provide exact and undeniable confirmation of each of the points I’ve referenced, I have sought and received confirmation via almost daily contact with P2P union volunteers.

The worst part about this situation is that even if we get everything we’re asking for, it will be a sub-standard AIP.