PHL base and Pay increase
 

So I have heard a 2-2.5 year upgrade to Captain if holding PHL and the new contract is going to increase the pay 40 percent more. If it is true then would def be a step in the right direction for you guys.

Buzz off, troll...

Never mind. What Denpilot said is better.

I shoulda figured that trying to get a mature reply is pointless. It's no wonder this board is a laughing stock.

You heard 2 to 2 1/2 years upgrade? Really guy?? In a base that hasn’t even opened where staffing levels haven’t even been solidified, you and your source believe the upgrades will happen in this amount of time. Rumor mongers like you are the reason why this site is a joke. Buzz off, Flip.

Another “crutch” looking to justify to his tiny little brain that coming to F9 is ok even though EVERYBODY is telling him not to.

You posting this trash makes YOU the laughing stock.

Good For You. Quit Trolling!

40 percent raise??? Bahahahaha, those are rookie numbers. You gotta bump them numbers up!!!

First off I NEVER said i was joining. Let me clarify that as well as something else, the scenario given was with not many people wanting to take a base in PHL the upgrade should be that length of time.

I have never seen some miserable people in my life, I wonder how much fun it must be to fly a trip with you guys. Def be packing some earplugs.

Uh, are you even familiar with our contract situation and how the company has handled it? Oh yeah we're miserable.

First off, yes I am familiar. Secondly, I can understand about how ****ty it must feel because I too have been there albeit under diff time/circumstances.

Was not trying to start rumours, be a troll, etc. Met lots of people from F9 and they all seemed quite nice. All have said the contract is coming. It has to come so I have been told.

But there is no need to start bashing someone who is simply putting up what they heard.

We literally got an email yesterday from our union saying a contract is not coming. So no, a contract does not have to happen. Thanks for your rumor mongering in this difficult time for us.

In case you missed my post in the hiring thread, ALPA just sent an update email to F9 pilots. The contract is NOT happening soon. They are strongly encouraging EVERYONE to go to other airlines. You will make more as a new hire at United (or delta or American, etc etc) than you will make as a captain at F9 even if you were hired straight into the captain position at F9.

THIRD year United FO's make MORE than FOURTEEN YEAR CAPTAINS at F9. Think about that!!!

Yes, F9 pilots are miserable and angry and for GOOD REASON. And new comers are NOT wanted and NOT welcome. You are hurting ALL alpa pilots by even applying to F9 right now.

Plus upgrades times are increasing rapidly, already getting close to 4 years and for someone hired today it looks like they’ll be waiting a lot longer than that. What the company says and what’s happening are two different things.

I don't know where you see 2-2.5 years. Everyone on property can see the bid for PHL and the most junior capt would be 3.5 years. I don't know where you're getting your info but whoever told you that is an idiot. As for 40% that would still put us at the bottom so no, not a step in the right the direction. 40% might as well read 1% for the majority of pilots here.

Again,not rumour mongering. Had i said I KNOW THAT FRONTIER WILL BE PAID ON PAR WITH FEDEX, then yes. As for who told me this, it was someone on the inside at F9. Could be total BS like you guys said. I don't know. The thought process was no one wants to goto PHL, so would be a quick upgrade. Didn't mean to created heartache or trauma amongst you folks. Just looking for info.

How do you see that? The “What if” award only shows me what I can hold. Not what everybody else can hold.

But yes, the last few staffing adjustments have required 3.5 years or more to hold Captain. I don’t see how anybody thinks 2.5 yrs will be able to hold captain, even in PHL.

Airspeed never responded to me, so I kinda feel left-out!?

You know, maybe I'll stand corrected. With the hopeful mass-exodus that occurs based upon this last bit of messaging and the incredible amount of opportunity out there, upgrades could plummet at this crap hole of an airline. Who knows, potentially 12-18 months! Sh!t man, maybe they'll even get to the point of direct to the left seat, captain street hires!! But damn, then who will sit in the right seat?? That would be swell for Bat Farry. :D:cool:

(I know we have a few doozie Fos that won't be going anywhere, but they'll just continue to throw gear and b!tch and moan all over the FB)

lol

So true though.

Heres another realistic scenario for you. Management never offers a market rate contract (they have showed zero signs that they will) and the place melts down from within (its happened before) we just didn't close the doors. Indigo then takes the aircraft and gives them to xyz airlines or potentially sells future delivery slots to xyz. Parts of our scope are expired and the parts that are not need major changes. Either way they turned a 50 million dollar investment into 1 billion. I alway find it funny when a newer guy says were built to withstand a economic downturn. Thats true because they can just close the doors rather than lose money. Theres no shareholders to answer to. Thats what i would do if i was up 1 billion. Why lose that? Now your friend is scratching his head, sitting at a crash pad in phl, down six figures, wondering what the he!! happened.

I was wondering the same thing. I’m at 2 1/2 years on property and my “what if” does not show me able to hold Captain anywhere in the system, including PHL/TTN. 😂

The person you spoke to is obviously a liar (big shock, huh?), because 40% is laughable. That's not market rate.

Not to jump all over you, but no, you're not looking for info. You had no question. You simply started a thread that was wrong in every sentence. Sorry to come down on you and I mean no ill will, but your timing couldn't have been any worse, your phraseology couldn't have been worse, and the sense of positivity in your post albeit intended or not comes off as.....ignorant. Please educate yourself through the various ALPA resources that have been posted.

Been here 3 years and 3 months and I can't hold any captain spots. Not the 2 1/2 years I was told when I got hired.

I was told 5 and it took 9. It always takes longer than advertised. Management basically takes the quickest recent upgrade (in the least desirable base) and says thats how long it takes. Always add at least 2 years and hope the music doesn't stop.

Kind of like saying we'll have a contract w/in 2 years when negotiations started!! :D:D

Generally time frames are given when negotiations start with the intent of moving the process forward expeditiously. I.E. keep both parties at the table moving forward. Right now were basically dead in the water with this NMB. Any NC isn't going to start negotiations saying we have no idea when were going to see a contract? They try and give a best guesstimate (usually overlly optimistic ill give you that) and go from there. Management on the other hand is using best case scenarios to recruit pilots with the intention of dragging out negotiations as long as possible. So its a little different but just as frustrating.

Officially:

Junior CA award to somebody 3 years 4 months. So only a year off on what the OP “heard”. :rolleyes:

Now about that pay increase...

Off by a year so I guess we will see pay increases in a little over a year.

Say you get a new contract tomorrow what would a NH upgrade be?

Attrition would nearly stop (save a few retirements) and would offset the additional upgrades from growth in the near term. So it will probably be 3.5-4 years for the foreseeable future even if we did get a contract tomorrow (which will not happen). There will probably be one class of upgrades for the next PHL vacancy that goes more junior, then it’ll bump right back up to the 3.5 - 4 year mark. That’s not impressive at all, go somewhere else that treats their employees with respect (which will not be effected by a new contract).

No it won't. I will be leaving almost no matter what at this point. Unless a buyout or merger happens, I'm going to leave if I get the email. I refuse to be treated like this for the rest of my career.

New contract at this place isn’t going to change much. People still are very motivated to leave because of the treatment we receive on a daily basis. The only hope for a change in pride in this company is the immediate removal of BB and Franke. With pride comes lots of help from employees to make a place great. These 2 have failed to realize this. So a contract will not remedy the complete dysfunction that this place is. They put all this in motion and now we have learned to adapt to the “status quo” and most will not lift a finger to help this company in any way. It’s Fuuking sad really. This place has so much potential but they have to be so greedy instead investing in their number one cost savings group. Oh well. Apps are out. Could upgrade but it’s cutting into my new resume detail.

You are not the only one that feels that way. Anyone who thinks this place will get better after a contract is fooling themselves. The treatment of the labor groups and passengers by Indigo is overwhelmingly atrocious.

I hear you got a December class date. I'm legit scared.

For someone hired today. 5-6 years min. For someone hired 3.5 years ago when we were smaller it is turning out to be 3.5 years. Make sense? You have way more FO's that have to upgrade now before you will see it if hired today. No retirements. You would be better off at a legacy with all those retirements they have.

With his "credentials", I think he should be able to get hired anywhere. At least if no one finds out.

What are you talking about?

And what credentials are those,

Libyan F5 fighter pilot
Professional fighter
Widebody DEC captain
Shenzhen airlines

Sound familiar?