717 windshear event
 

Has anyone else heard about aircraft 717? Possible windshear in MCO resulting in a near 4g landing followed by tail strike. MX told me this morning they are awaiting word from Airbus if the airframe is salvagable.

Rumor around maintenance is it’s totaled

Forget the airframe, what about the pax? :eek: Everyone on that plane probably should see a chiropractor if they haven't already!

Crew experience?

A chiropractor? Seriously? How about a crystal healer.

I can't find any information about this incident yet

Came in shortly after them. Pop up storms all around the airport. Don't know what they got on final but we were 0 losses or gains all the way down final for 35R and then got a good 10+ knot loss right in the flare. It was a firm touch down for sure.

As for 717, I heard it was a go around...

I also heard that they scrapped the tail during a go around. I haven't heard anything about a 4 g touchdown. Maybe we will see a memo soon.

I was told today by a mechanic in Orlando that they hit the tail twice!
The mechanic said the airplane is probably a total.

FTWeb shows the Captain wrote it up for a hard landing on the 8th. Guess we will find out eventually if it is toast.

Prior to May 2019: “Full bore hiring!!!!”
May 2019: “Stop hiring!!!”
About a week ago: “Resume hiring!!!”
Post 717 tailscrape: “Stop hiring!!!”

Gotta love the consistency here........:eek:

How did this event not make the news?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4cb88652
 

Accident: Frontier A321 at Orlando on Aug 8th 2019, windshear causes hard landing and tail strike

Accident: Frontier A321 at Orlando on Aug 8th 2019, windshear causes hard landing and tail strike
By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Aug 13th 2019 23:25Z, last updated Tuesday, Aug 13th 2019 23:27Z

A Frontier Airlines Airbus A321-200, registration N717FR performing flight F9-1187 from Portland,ME to Orlando,FL (USA), was on final approach to Orlando's runway 18L when tower advised about a windshear alert 15 knots loss on 1nm final and cleared the flight to land. The crew continued, encountered windshear and touched down hard at 13:29L (17:29Z), performed a bounce recovery and went around. The aircraft positioned for another approach now for runway 35R about 25 minutes after the balked landing and landed without further incident.

The occurrence aircraft is still on the ground in Orlando about 126 hours after landing.

On Aug 13th 2019 The Aviation Herald received information the aircraft touched down at almost +4G and suffered a tail strike as result of windshear on short final close to ground. The damage is being assessed, it does not appears impossible the damage needs to be assessed beyond repair.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...458Z/KPWM/KMCO

Metars:
KMCO 081953Z 25009KT 10SM FEW040 FEW090 SCT250 BKN300 33/22 A2996 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE SLP144 T03280222=
KMCO 081853Z 28008KT 10SM FEW035CB SCT090 BKN250 32/23 A2998 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E RAE06 TSB19E38 SLP150 CB DSNT E MOV E TCU DSNT N-NE SE VCSH E P0001 T03220233=
KMCO 081838Z 28011KT 10SM FEW035CB SCT090 BKN250 32/24 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E RAE06 TSB19E38 CB DSNT E MOV E TCU DSNT N-NE SE VCSH E P0001 T03170239=
KMCO 081819Z 28005KT 10SM TS FEW035CB FEW090 BKN250 31/25 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E RAE06 TSB19 OCNL LTGCG SE TS SE MOV E TCU NE-E VCSH SE P0001 T03110250=
KMCO 081753Z VRB04G31KT 6SM R35L/3500VP6000FT +RA FEW019 BKN037TCU BKN250 28/22 A3000 RMK AO2 PK WND 27031/1744 LTG DSNT E RAE00B44 SLP157 VIS NE 2 TCU ALQDS P0017 60017 T02780217 10328 20244 55005=
KMCO 081653Z 29007KT 10SM -RA SCT033TCU BKN250 31/24 A3000 RMK AO2 RAB48 SLP156 TCU ALQDS P0000 T03110239=
KMCO 081553Z 25009KT 10SM SCT029 32/24 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP159 T03170244=
KMCO 081453Z 24008KT 10SM SCT022 30/25 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP162 T03000250 50005=

huh??????????

No doubt... that post made zero sense

You just won the worst meme award.

I could hear the whistle as it went over your head.

The FAA will overlay the weather radar returns with the ATC tapes to determine if aircraft were conducting unstable approaches with convective weather. They will look at the incident flight as well as others in the same time frame. Good idea for anyone around that time frame to have a ASAP on file.

I listened to the ATC archives.

They reported a 25kt loss @ 50' to Approach after they went around.

Approach then tried to vector them for 17L with winds reported as 330/16. They went around immediately and then were vectored to 35R.

Experienced captain and the FO is a good stick as well, I think it was the best outcome given the circumstances.

This could really happen to anyone in that airplane. I’m sure I’ve come close a few times and have roughly 8000 hrs in A319/320.

From MCO line mechanic: Complete replacement of both MLG assemblies, stripping of entire aircraft paint to inspect for airframe fatigue, replacement of aft pressure bulkhead and inspection and replacement of several fuselage frames.

I think the crew has enough on their plates as is, and would prefer we all act as professionals and not speculate on an open internet forum. Just my .02 cents on being professional. Maybe think before you start posting stuff all over and spread misinformation.

Amen!!!!!!

This is not speculation.

Glad the crew made good decisions and got everyone on the ground safe.

Looks like 717 returned to service yesterday...ferried TPA-MCO then MCO-CLE to re-enter revenue service to RSW!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...955Z/KCLE/KRSW

Flew it today. It is indeed back in service. The rear end is even shiny and new.

Did it shake and rattle?

Seriously? Because of “near 4 G.”.

That’s about the standard break to downwind from an overhead in tactical flying.

For that matter, a Cessna 172 can pull 3 Gs.

:rolleyes:

Also.... near 4 Gs is probably a totally BS rumor

It didn’t pull 4Gs. It landed 4Gs. I’d bet a dollar that it loads the airframe a bit different. To test the theory land your tactical plane with a 9G touchdown and then please report back how it goes.

Actually, the gear folds if you completely stroke out one gear at greater than 400 fpm or both at over 800 fpm (F-16C block 30 encountering a wingtip vortex on final setting up a sink rate and impacting on left gear, collapsing it, then right gear, then skidding 2400 feet down the runway while shredding an ALQ-131 jammer pod). And no, it wasn’t me.

But the airframe damage wasn’t the issue, it was the assertion that the PAX would need a chiropractor at 4 Gs, due to a hard landing which DOESN’T load their spines “a bit different” than that tactical aircraft pitching out from initial.

Tell me you know the difference between an airframe and the human spine...:eek:

Hint: I don’t think most chiropractors are certified to work on airframes.

I cannot verify the exact number, but keep in mind such numbers generated on the load 15 report are split second captures, not a sustained force. Most extreme roller coasters are above 5 G.

Next time don’t reference the first quote in your post about the airframe and I won’t have to read your mind to get the joke.

“Fighters”.... Combat flying hasn’t been above 2500ft AGL for the last 15 years

The rumor mill must be running on empty...

Now THAT made me laugh.

Well speaking of 717! I heard from a ramper, who heard from a fueler who has an uncle who has a mistress who’s gardener’s husband said that he was told by a Frontier flight attendant who heard from a gate agent that they were told by Franke himself that Delta will be retiring all of their 717s and selling them to Frontier at a heck of a good price! With all the new A220s Delta is getting, I’m betting that this rumor has some legs!

:confused:

https://i.ibb.co/3rHXZTp/5-C15-EB98-...D021352-C7.jpg

Not sure what part of this was confusing but I’ll endeavor to keep it simpler for you in the future.

:rolleyes: