Actually it’s not that much different as you think. We have 2 hours to get there to be 1 hour prior to departure. Spirit has 3 hours to get there, which is straight to departure time. So technically we are the about the same

I see pretty much the same flexibility in the future and it’s been that way for the first year plus of the new agreement. The one exception would be the ability for reserves to drop the middle day in a group of rdp. By the way nk gave that up as well as long as we’re making comparisons. FYI Almost all of your posts are complaining.

We can’t all be kool-aid drinkers.

I never compared our rules to NK, only to ourselves under the old contract. I challenge us all to do a look back after we’ve been using PBS for a year and compare flexibility. You may not have noticed a difference yet but with no MOT process that honors seniority and reserves picking up open time coupled with the increased number of turns (many at the minimum 5:00 pay) I don’t see much opportunity for schedule improvement after the initial bid award.

The only real flexibility I see is being able to drop pretty much anything you want. But with most lines being built to right around 75 hours and nothing to pick up you may be asking for a call from the CPO for falling below the monthly minimum credit requirement. And as things pick up and staffing levels get back to where they should be the “grid” is likely to show a lot more red than it does now.

It’s not complaining, I’m just calling it like it is.

I imagine most passenger carries are in a similar situation regarding lack of open time. To be fair the covid environment is not the best time to be giving true opinion on our new PBS.

Wait, we are b*tching about the new contract and no one has mentioned vacation slide yet!?!

And I thought I knew this pilot group...

Joking aside, I am impressed to see so many thoughtful and honest posts on the last couple pages of this thread. It's refreshing to read. Not all that many of us post on here, but I know that a ton of people read it. Lots of people in the job hunt read these forums.

Regarding reserve rules, I really don't think anyone can argue that the work rules got worse. Anyone who is permanently stuck on reserve (junior Den captains) will feel the most pain from that. I really feel for them. Honestly. There are always sacrifices in new contracts, and reserves were definitely one of them. I voted yes on the contract because the time value of a huge pay raise outweighed the sacrifices to me. (Easy for me to say as I'm not on reserve). The ability to pick up on your days off was a small win, but only helps you if you live in base. For someone who commutes to reserve, its almost just a tease.

As far as sitting on the bottom of the Denver captain list, the ugly reality is that it's just not going to get better. I don't believe that the Den base will shrink too much more, but I've said that before. Denver is still our largest market and seems to do well for the company, but we all know they want to spread the airline out and around the country. Sitting at the bottom of the list in Denver just isn't going to go well for anyone.

Hopefully we get another western domicile soon (PHX?) which will shake up the list a little, but also come at the expense of further shrinking of Denver. I suspect.

Everyone has to decide for themselves what's most important in their life. Quality of life, making money, not moving the family around chasing domiciles. Very hard decisions. I've struggled with this too and I have basically made the decision that I'm not going to upgrade. For a good long while probably. For me, getting a big raise as I'm on FO pay for the foreseeable future was critical.

For anyone who is looking at Frontier for a career choice, my best piece of advice is to live in a junior domicile if you can. Imagine the career of two new hires, one who lives in base in MIA or PHL vs one who commutes to DEN from the west coast. Those two guys will have radically different careers!

My last thought is that at a certain point the goal ends up being saving up enough money to retire. Im not here to give financial advice but never lose sight of the end goal. Put as much money until your 401k as you can. Max it out. Don't settle until you have. Quality of life is really important during your career, but you really want to build millions in savings so that you don't have to work at all. If you don't know anything about investing, take the time to learn it.

sounds like a bunch of speculation again to me. Your not calling it like it is your calling it how you think it’s going to turn out. Daily and trade board opening 2 weeks earlier now should more than offset the one trip in monthly your sometimes able to get. By the way there was a u after the f and an s at the end of my username. The modes dropped them. I created it back when we we’re taking pay cut after pay cut. At this point I’ll be thrilled if this contract pans out the way its written right now.

Ok coolaid let’s call some things “like it is”.

Post up Spirits LTD compared to ours.

What’s the min credit for any given month at Spirit?

You post it. I’m not looking it up. While your at it review thier res rules because you don’t seem to know those. Then please explain what happens after 2 years on our Ltd. oh and compare vac and retro. We could do this all day.

I just can’t decide what to pick up from den CA January open time..............

welcome. You can gang up with chilli and keg now. I’m about done renegotiating our contract.