How many in class today
 

Numbers that showed?

All 47 according to a buddy in the school house

An odd number? That’s….odd.

It's not odd, that an odd number didn't show. (even-odd=odd)

It will barely make a dent with all the guys quitting in May June. It takes time to update apps, get invite, interview and class date. May and beyond starts the ripple effect of January. If you’re an FO commuting, it makes no sense to stay here. Allegiant 2.0 in the making.

The first part, you're dead on. The ORD BS hasn't even begun to take effect yet. I'm guessing we will be -30+ per month in the middle of the summer. I'm talking overall numbers with new hires being added.

Allegiant 2.0, doubtful at this point. Although they are starting to do overnights, so technically you may be correct!

“ALL 47” was the statement. Which, to me, suggests that everyone that was invited showed. No?

Bases went to MIA, MCO and one PHL

They doing nh bids without system bids again?

No idea what that means. I'm passing along info from a new hire in that class.

You must not be based in Las.

Did we ever get a confirmation of how many showed up to class from someone who actually knows?

Is this allowed under your CBA? They don't have to open the vacancies up to everyone to bid?

Yes, I have a friend in the current class. I'm in the April 27 class and I think 40+ in mine too but not confirmed

there was a bid that just closed last week, what else do you all want? Those unfilled positions went to the new hires.

You either haven't been here that long or haven't been paying attention. The company has screwed over new hires by not letting them bid, and/or placing new hires in bases without opening the bid to the entire pilot group like they are supposed to. That's what they want, the contract honored. Got it?

24.E.3. More than likely that’s how new hires held those positions. The contract was honored if that’s the case.

47 is what I heard confirmed.

Lol… the company just closed a system bid with 42 new FO slots which closed on 3/30, the exact same day as a new hire class with 47 in it. I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to assume that wasn’t complied with. I do realize this has happened in the past, but it’s clear as day this time. Another example of a pilot thinking he knows how to run an airline.

Another one who can't keep his eye on the ball. Endemic to the profession.

I’ll be honest, missed that bid. Last one I remembered had 24 for the 3/2 class. I stirred the pot erroneously.

How many classes does frontier do a month?

one per month; max is around 50 students. Everything prior to IOE is currently in Denver

Heard 48 in the next class

FWIW, if you look at the system bid for the total number of new positions, that’s usually the amount they are planning for the next class. Currently there are 44 new positions on the system bid, so that’s likely their target.

They are probably planning on losing 4 out of class to other airlines. Or at least, they should be…


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What has the attrition been like lately? Can’t be any worse than NK

From what I hear, we’re losing more than we’re hiring.


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early opener contract improvements!

The union podcast released a few days ago said we are losing a pilot a day.

I assume captains moving on to the big 3? FOs still need TPIC I’m guessing before they move on

Pretty much the exact opposite of that

Most attrition is junior FOs

I concur. Opposite.

It’s 2022 not 2012

Regional FOs are moving on to the big 3 in today's hiring climate.

Even regional FOs with no TPIC are getting picked up at the legacies. ULCC FOs with A320 or B737 time are an even hotter commodity. It’s a strange situation with seniority. ULCC CAs who aren’t on reserve have too much to lose to start over again somewhere new as a first year FO on reserve making considerably less than where they are. If they are young enough, and there are no black swans, no company bankruptcies, etc., they will PROBABLY make that up within 6-7 years, but that’s only a probably and their relative seniority will be in the crapper for a long time too.

It’s the exact opposite of the regionals where they don’t have enough CAs and senior FOs are departing the fix before upgrade. They aren’t upgrading because the FOs don’t have the 121 hours to do it. The ULCCs aren’t upgrading because they don’t have enough FOs for the CAs they have and they lose more every day.

These be strange times…

F9 management, under direct orders from ownership, will NEVER admit our pay and benefits package needs to be equal to the big 4 in order to grow……..

Through common core math or something they actually believe we have parity with DL pay rates. Or at least BL tries to tell us as much.

and that’s why we will never grow…….
lose as many or more than we can hire

In that case, do you guys still have upgrades?
It seems like if you're losing more pilots than you're hiring, and they're all FOs, there would be an imbalance of CA/FO ratios and that downgrades would eventually start to happen.