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Originally Posted by 160to4
(Post 3481030)
I would second guess it everyday and weekends! $37b in debt, they’ll have gone into bankruptcy twice by the end of this decade
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
(Post 3481103)
I wonder why they haven't done it already.
But I also think the optics of them declaring bankruptcy so soon after taking utterly massive Govt handouts is terrible. A lot of people will be ****ed off |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3481020)
And Southwest?
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3481117)
It's like pulling off a bandaid. No one wants to do it.
But I also think the optics of them declaring bankruptcy so soon after taking utterly massive Govt handouts is terrible. A lot of people will be ****ed off ^^^^^this^^^^^^ They are waiting for something like a recession or “unsustainable” oil prices to pull the trigger on bankruptcy |
Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
(Post 3481103)
I wonder why they haven't done it already.
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Originally Posted by SFA320
(Post 3481025)
This gave me a good laugh, while I get the concept why would I want the union to waste any energy on such trivial things? Serious question.
Contract 2018 value>value of FLICA Alerts and Chex Mix. Apparently we still can get the big things. We do get one free soda per leg if we want, I think I’ve covered my FLICA bill with Diet Cokes by now. If it's trivial the company won't waste their (or the unions) time and give it to you. If the company fights it it's not trivial. It's like picketing. Doesn't do anything. Until it does. Nickel and dime them till they give up. At NK we are supposed to get our hotel key in the van. Happened twice in 10 years, but I can't grieve hotel issues, only ALPA can. I think it's BS. Make them work for everything. You are not wasting energy if you are tying up company resources at the same time. |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 3481322)
Serious answer:
If it's trivial the company won't waste their (or the unions) time and give it to you. If the company fights it it's not trivial. It's like picketing. Doesn't do anything. Until it does. Nickel and dime them till they give up. At NK we are supposed to get our hotel key in the van. Happened twice in 10 years, but I can't grieve hotel issues, only ALPA can. I think it's BS. Make them work for everything. You are not wasting energy if you are tying up company resources at the same time. While I agree with what your saying the $4 is not something that has been discussed at trying to negotiate out and it wasn’t put in place by indigo. Next round maybe that changes? There’s nothing to fight off. You can’t nickel and dime someone without practice or language. Alpa doesn’t want to get into the habit of bringing baseless arguments in front of arbitrators and rightfully so. Past practice has existed for over a decade on the flica fee. Why can’t you dispute hotel issues if you have the language as you have suggested by mentioning your supposed to get a key on the van? |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3481283)
They’re cash flowing. That’s why.
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 3481322)
Serious answer:
If it's trivial the company won't waste their (or the unions) time and give it to you. If the company fights it it's not trivial. It's like picketing. Doesn't do anything. Until it does. Nickel and dime them till they give up. At NK we are supposed to get our hotel key in the van. Happened twice in 10 years, but I can't grieve hotel issues, only ALPA can. I think it's BS. Make them work for everything. You are not wasting energy if you are tying up company resources at the same time. Medicals are required, luggage, black shoes, black belt, shaving equipment, ect. All of these are required but not paid for but we don’t consider those items to be nickle and dimed. But a can of pringles and $4 for Flica send people into this weird outrage. |
Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
(Post 3481354)
So I wonder why so many think they will file then if money is coming in.
I’m a pilot and didn’t get a degree in complex financial situations involving the largest airline in the world therefore can only guess ya one of those articles is probably right. |
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