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Brother I agree. Which is why I voted no then. But different times and dynamics. We had much more ground to make up then.

For that last part refer to post 41.

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Originally Posted by CantStayAway (Post 3597694)

Real world example…

Pairing:
Day 1
MCO-ATL 20+ hour layover in ATL
Day 2
ATL-LGA
LGA-MCO Release at 12:00pm in MCO

A plane in MIA that is supposed to operate MIA-ATL-SFO is hours delayed due to mx. Scheduling attempts a reassignment of the crew that lands in ATL from MCO.

Attempted reassignment…
Day 1
MCO-ATL
ATL-SFO layover SFO
Day 2
DH SFO-MCO release at 15:15 in MCO

I don’t believe this exact scenario would be legal today as there is a domicile in ATL, however this was before the ATL domicile. The above scenario happened to me. I was never notified of the change and I went home that day. Under the language of the contract that will be going into effect with the app, this would be a legal reassignment (per ALPA) because of the “reasons beyond the control of the company.”

In the above example the reassignment was outside of the footprint of the original pairing. That should not be allowed in my opinion. I understand that my plane can break down in an outstation and that’s not what I’m talking about. A reassignment to different flying should never fall outside of the footprint of the original pairing. We have that language and then negate it with, “for reasons beyond the control of the company.”

I finally figured out the confusion. You’re mixing reassignment in and out of domicile when flying is removed or canceled. In domicile it has to be original footprint period. Out of domicile they can go outside original footprint to get you home. Removing the sentence you’re referring to would do nothing with the sfo reassignment they tried to give you. Nice job just going home by the way.

Anyhow, what I mentioned is still true. Every carrier has the ability to reassign outside the original footprint so you can get home. 3 hrs after the original footprint is when $ starts kicking in in most agreements, including ours. That language literally has to exist to get you back to a domicile. It’s not the big bad scary language it appears to be and removing it does nothing to force the company to not reassign outside original footprint at an outstation to get you back to domicile. There’s a bunch of other reassignment scenarios. Lol.

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Originally Posted by WaterRooster (Post 3597752)

Its funny to see everyone thinking that F9 will touch new Legacy pay rates. Look at the last negotiation…Frontier was said not NOT be comparable to Legacy’s. I don’t think that has changed but you can plan to be compared to Allegiant and Sunny in any negotiation. All this talk is the same it was last time and see how that turned out? Just temper your expectations now because the company is perfectly fine underpaying and having high turnover in the 3-5 year range.

Legacy WB rates? No probably not. NB rates? Why not? Just so we are clear in the last year the company decided to give new hires a 25% raise and comp hotels during training. Then another 17% raise, then a 35k bonus, then another 10% raise and upped the bonus to 50k. So now not only is our first year rate “touching” legacy pay rates, it’s obliterating them. Aim higher.

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Originally Posted by Stayontarget;[url=tel:3597833

3597833[/url]]Legacy WB rates? No probably not. NB rates? Why not? Just so we are clear in the last year the company decided to give new hires a 25% raise and comp hotels during training. Then another 17% raise, then a 35k bonus, then another 10% raise and upped the bonus to 50k. So now not only is our first year rate “touching” legacy pay rates, it’s obliterating them. Aim higher.

Im not saying there will be no high percentage raises that will fall in line with what DL got.15-18% sure….Probably 13-15%. $ for $ what DL got in the NB Fleet? Not a chance. This company will trip over $20 to pick up $1 so my expectations are not high. I do think to get a higher $ you will be giving up the override over 82

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Originally Posted by WaterRooster (Post 3597837)

Do we have to go down to thier vac credit as well? Maybe Gary was right this is starting to turn into what we’re willing to give up.

I agree WaterRooster,

DL321 isn’t a realistic ask. It should be better. We move more people on the same equipment.

How the company makes money is their problem. My job is to get the plane from A to B often with less resources and operational backup my peers at DL enjoy.

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Originally Posted by 303flyboy (Post 3597846)

I agree WaterRooster,

DL321 isn’t a realistic ask. It should be better. We move more people on the same equipment. How the company makes money is their problem. My job is to get the plane from A to B often with less resources and operational backup my peers at DL enjoy.

And often at much more challenging hours of the night.

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Originally Posted by 303flyboy (Post 3597846)

Ask for the stars man.... Just don't be upset when you don't get it. We fly widebody loads at sub-narrowbody pay rates. The company is proud of that.....

didn't the union come out and say "the 1,000 [or whatever #] grievances need to be resolved before a contract is discussed"

They resolve??? 10 grievances a year ????

if they stick to that, the new contract will happen in the year 2123 (100 years)

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Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3597867)

They can resolve 100’s at a time. I’ll bet we’re talking sub 20 language violations. The CUN hotel arbitration had to be close to 100 resolved. 70k divided by 150 although I don’t know what they were using for company arbitrator/attorneys fee? Close to 1000 we’re resolved within a month of our last ta. That shouldn’t cause any delay but they do need to be resolved or we don’t agree on existing language.