Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3641593)

I swear if our NC doesn't try to come close to this and match *WHATEVER is in the CURRENT year's PAY, for first year pay then % increase from there* I will be upset. I dont want 2023 pay rates in 2026 or 2027.

We CANNOT be so far behind this time. This is industry standard and these airlines are showing us this. Spirit and JB are NOT what we should be near, their pay is current hold over until a new JCBA and if it doesnt happen, they will negotiate new CBAs themselves.

our management cannot keep this airline running if we get a subpar contract. I, as well as many others will be out the door to any of the other legacies in a heart beat and F9 will forever be a regional taking fresh ATPs with a turnover equal to OO. They will be forcing upgrades and suffering trying to keep people past 3 years.

These airlines have also shown that seats matter. 319/320/321/321neo rates all usually different. If we dont have AT LEAST the other airlines 320/1 rates.... ridiculous first TA to even push through to us. Especially since we are getting Mostly 321neos for the foreseeable future with 240 seats.

Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69 (Post 3641671)

What does any of this matter when I keep reading that contract negotiations last 4 years at frontier? By that time it will all have changed again.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3641736)

These new contracts (Delta and AA) will be the bar that we use to negotiate. Of course the company will try to use the Spirit rates as a target.

It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3641736)

These new contracts (Delta and AA) will be the bar that we use to negotiate. Of course the company will try to use the Spirit rates as a target.

It'll be 3 years and we will end up half way between Spirit and DL/AA rates.

Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3641767)

Fortunately Spirit rates will probably be bumped to Jetblue rates by then further raising the bar.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3641814)

We can sure hope so. Things move so slowly though. I'm sure that management's opening offer will be the current Spirit rates

Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3641927)

As mentioned previously, we are on average 40% behind. That means if we get a 35% raise, we are still making less in some pay bands.

Our current contract currently pays $100+ less PER HOUR than the AA AIP. Think about that. That’s $7500/month or $90k per year. That figure doesn’t include direct contribution (which is a higher percentage on top of higher amounts of pay), holiday pay that was just scored, new reassignment language that pay premium, profit sharing and MANY others.

Once this AIP goes into affect, we will be making approx $100,000 less per year for all CAs 7 yrs and below.

I didn’t think it was possible but we may be further behind now than in our previous contract negotiation.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3641940)

Yeah, honestly kind of hard to believe. I didn't think this current round of contracts would have such significant gains

Originally Posted by JoeFever1 (Post 3641954)

Bankruptcy contracts? AA at least…