Originally Posted by Mooneyguy (Post 3682023)

i don’t disagree. We could be doing better and wall street knows it. The fact is though, franke hasn’t fired Barry. Franke owns this airline, IF he wanted changes made they would be made. The only obvious explanation is they are happy with where they are, Right now. I absolutely believe franke has something cooking in the back ground. He has a plan, and I don’t think Barry has a clue. He won’t be a part of it.

Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3682070)

I would argue the profit margins are better at the legacies currently because they have a premium product that they can charge more per seat for. You can only charge so much for a redeye seat to CLE but a first class seat to Europe will command a premium currently. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison on business models when looking at profit margins.

Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3682158)

This place stinks, but it ain’t sinking.

Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3682168)

I heard we ruined another engine with a ground air hose in CLE?

Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69 (Post 3682080)

Most people are upgraded to first class. They don’t purchase that seat. It’s a reward for loyalty. That’s where the profit comes in. Repeat customers.

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3682275)

EVERY single one of my friends says they would fly Frontier all the time if we operated better(on time, less cancellations, no 4hr delays every day) and had better customer service. They love everything about us. But between yanking people's money for bags willy nilly, gate agents who treat customers horrificly, no phone lines, canceled flights, and poor management of just everything, it is a mess.

If this place ran smoothly and the company just put a little more money upfront, our product would absolutely skyrocket. There is a reason Southwest is as big as they are, look what happened to them in recent years with their decline in their original "plan".

Originally Posted by ToddChavez (Post 3682241)

That's affirmative. And it was as much the station's fault as it was the flight crew. The ground cart was wayyyyy inside the safety box, so close that the engine stopped less than 2 feet from the ground air cart. It is mind blowing to me how careless some guys operate, knowing full well this is Frontier Airlines. It is the same braindead idiots who will sit with #1 running at the gate waiting for ground power to be hooked up.

Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3682305)

Heard the engine is a total loss and there are no spare NEO engines to be found anytime soon. I've always used the APU since I upgraded just out of a safety standpoint. Does any other airline do this procedure? There is so much FOD on our ramps anyhow.

Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3682299)

(besides that, "they love everything about us" ---- what is left? painted tails? the onboard food? fast cabin wi-fi? )

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3682275)

EVERY single one of my friends says they would fly Frontier all the time if we operated better(on time, less cancellations, no 4hr delays every day) and had better customer service. They love everything about us. But between yanking people's money for bags willy nilly, gate agents who treat customers horrificly, no phone lines, canceled flights, and poor management of just everything, it is a mess.

If this place ran smoothly and the company just put a little more money upfront, our product would absolutely skyrocket. There is a reason Southwest is as big as they are, look what happened to them in recent years with their decline in their original "plan".

Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3683149)

This might as well say, “every single one of my friends says they would fly Frontier if it wasn’t Frontier”. The only thing anybody loves is the ticket prices. But for most, including your friends, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3683156)

Well no duh we aren't a legacy....

I am talking about the brand. The animals. Greenest airline. cheap tickets. Easy get away trips.

but we cant even do any of that without screwing it up.

Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 3683301)

“America’s Greenest Airline” that doesn’t even recycle. If they could make more money by being the least green airline they would.

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3681902)

Not necessarily disagree with you but the stuff this place needs to change is fairly easy. Increase staffing at ticket counters, gate counters, bellow the wing, etc. Stop with the bag price harassment.

Those are easy fixes. The things that are hard to get right for an airline like cost structure, we have nailed. We operate at a lower cost structure with more fuel efficiency than any airline in history. If Frontier could clean up the operation, Increase staffing levels, stop treating the passengers so poorly, and then increase ticket fares a little, we could make an absolute killing.

Will our current management team do these things? I have no idea. Maybe they need to be flushed and get fresh blood in the office. I don't know, but this place has so much potential! Our 321NEOs with 240 seats coupled with the lowest cost structure in the industry has the potential to be a serious power house. Easy fixes could be made. In the right hands, this place could kill

Originally Posted by crjflyer0023 (Post 3683351)

yeah it’s a sinking ship. been here for a year and it sucks go to literally any other airline. Even a regional.

Originally Posted by ERAUAV8R (Post 3679718)

stock price means nothing. We have lots of planes and cheap tickets. Plus word of mouth is our best advertisement. The planes are new and our destinations are good. As long as the weather behaves and doesn’t storm much. It’s a rough time in the industry for everyone.

Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3682305)

Heard the engine is a total loss and there are no spare NEO engines to be found anytime soon. I've always used the APU since I upgraded just out of a safety standpoint. Does any other airline do this procedure? There is so much FOD on our ramps anyhow.

Originally Posted by crjflyer0023 (Post 3683351)

yeah its a sinking ship. been here for a year and it sucks go to literally any other airline. Even a regional.

Originally Posted by MOARdrag (Post 3683828)

Still haven’t hit one summertime metric yet

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3683420)

Interesting, do you work at F9? Because you hand out free advice and act like you work at United too..

Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso (Post 3683998)

He doesn’t work at either. He’s a Riddle aviator obviously.

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3683831)

You couldn't be more wrong, our metrics have been great... We hit the MBR 3-4 times I think since June.

Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3684095)

Hold the phone…we actually cancelled less than 1% yesterday. Things are looking up!

Just disregard the fact that we flew 15% less flights that day.

Originally Posted by MOARdrag (Post 3683828)

Still haven’t hit one summertime metric yet

Originally Posted by BiffleBalls (Post 3684329)

Watching them move the goal posts for the contest that nobody was going to win, and then have to move them a couple more times has been entertaining. What are they giving out? Miles? The only miles any body wants is the distance they can get from the next daily disaster a fabulous Frontier Airlines.... A Tic Tok sensation! So I hear...

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3685060)

True.

but to be fair, I have some friends with access to Delta and United performance, theirs are also in the gutter, just not as bad as ours MOST of the time.

Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3685084)

what performance is "in the gutter" over at DAL and UAL ?

https://ir.delta.com/news/news-detai...s/default.aspx

most recent quarter:



...in HISTORY

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3685091)

Just because they had record profits, doesn't mean their on time/cancellations/etc were perfect... Ours are way worse, but we can't act like the legacies are just immune to any issues we also deal with (ours just hurt more because of our poor ops in the first place)

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3685060)

True.

but to be fair, I have some friends with access to Delta and United performance, theirs are also in the gutter, just not as bad as ours MOST of the time.

Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3685115)

That’s not even close to true
https://www.transportation.gov/sites...023%20ATCR.pdf

Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3685122)

Maybe I suck at looking at numbers, but we are not very far behind a lot of carriers in many categories.

Originally Posted by UpwardInflow (Post 3679702)

What say the masses?

Originally Posted by TooMuchTime (Post 3686374)

Biffle is selling his shares to make us more affordable for United to buy us. 100% certain.