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DumboDrop 05-06-2024 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3799272)
Question.... He got a bag that was below the airplane, and brought it to the cabin? Meaning, a checked bag?
Yeah. I could see how'd you get a section 19 for that, because that's expressly against the rules and a captain should know better.


I've done that for gate checked luggage for js crew. It was pink tagged. One time ramp was fine with it, another time they weren't and I didn't push it. But that was a long time ago.

fcoolaiddrinker 05-06-2024 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3799309)
I've done that for gate checked luggage for js crew. It was pink tagged. One time ramp was fine with it, another time they weren't and I didn't push it. But that was a long time ago.

the company was arguing your not trained in f9 bag procedures in the sec 19. Funny thing is he was. X f9 ramper. Ok sec 19 over when they found out.

CrayonEater 05-06-2024 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by I like BIG Bus (Post 3799301)
No amount of announcements or treating passengers well will "fix" this airline. Ask me how I know. I'm pretty sure I've been here longer than you, and was here for all the negotiations on the last contract. You're welcome by the way.The people you are basically calling out and insulting with this garbage thread had Frontier pointed in a great direction. We were profitable and near the top of the on time performance ahead of most of the "Legacies". The upper management of this company rewarded us by reneging on an LOA that would've given us immediate pay raises by hiding behind weak language. Then when we entered negotiations offered us two different pay scales. One at basically our current rate for non flying duties such as training, vacation and such with a slight pay increase only when we actually fly. Then cancelled vacations for the pilots during the Holidays just because they could. Since then they have done everything in their power to reduce us to what we are now. When Management wants this airline to actually get better they'll get serious and negotiate a proper contract. Then we can roll up our sleeves and get to work. Until that happens I am going to reply to you the way Management replies to us. You want your passengers to have a Delta experience, go to Delta.

FUPM
No waivers, No favors

You are a poet, Sir.
(No sarcasm here)

buzzer 05-06-2024 04:57 PM

I like to treat customers with care and respect. ProperMike...Take that introspection (something I do like) a little further and imagine if most pilots spent the effort to create good pilot to pax interactions. And now guess what that does for your own bottom line for you and your family in getting a contract. Like it or not, thats the situation here. It tells the company you are happy with the status quo. I see a lot more great pilot to pax interactions at Delta and United these days...and that's solid gold for the airline. As has already been mentioned, it starts at the top. I don't think for a second the pilots at F9 will tank the airline with lack of enthusiasm.

ColdWhiskey 05-06-2024 05:18 PM

Giving away a bottle of water to the loadmaster is stealing in the company's eyes. Do that once per leg and that adds up!

In all seriousness, ProperMike's attitude toward his job is reminiscent of how the majority of this pilot group used to be when I was a new hire nearly 20 years ago. We always went above and beyond. The culture was great, the product was excellent, our customers loved us, and it was a great place to work.

This management team has destroyed the culture here, and unfortunately, the reputation of the company and the work attitude of its employees. Our product is diminished, customers have figured it out, and our bottom line is suffering because of it. If there is not a top level management change, I worry about our viability.

dracir1 05-08-2024 10:31 PM

ProperMike,

Bro, I love the enthusiasm. I really do. We all do I'm sure.

But you've got to remember a few things here...customer service is EVERYONE's job. If others don't do it, you can't make them and you aren't helping the company by going above and beyond. You may be placating a few passengers on a few specific flights but depending on your actions, you could be enabling others to do less. If you get the reputation at your base, when gate agents see you coming they may come to expect you to make your announcement and they not have to make theirs.

Second, not only are you fighting a losing battle, you are endangering the livelihood of your fellow pilots by possibly setting a precedent that you alone are willing to uphold. Imagine if management gets wind of what you're doing and decides to make it policy for everyone (this has happened before). Additionally, I'm sure in your announcements and additional service that is seems like everyone is appreciative but I will tell you that if I'm in the back of the plane or gate area and you make an announcement every 5 minutes saying the same thing over and over (with no real info/update), I'm gonna tell a FA to tell you to shut the F up while I get some sleep. There is such a thing as being annoyingly polite.

Most people want to hear that you're sorry for how things are but EVERYBODY wants the situation remedied as soon as possible w/ as little fuss/involvement as possible. Instead of doing others jobs, why not encourage them to do theirs. Explain how it's such a nice thing when they help you by doing so.

I don't want you to get bitter from this or decide it's hopeless. Balance is the key - don't be non-existent but don't be overly persistent. You alone shouldn't feel like you need to try and counteract all that is wrong at F9. You can't and you will suffer (mental health wise) way before putting the slightest of upticks in the F9 reputation.

ProperMike 05-09-2024 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3800163)
ProperMike,

Bro, I love the enthusiasm. I really do. We all do I'm sure.

But you've got to remember a few things here...customer service is EVERYONE's job. If others don't do it, you can't make them and you aren't helping the company by going above and beyond. You may be placating a few passengers on a few specific flights but depending on your actions, you could be enabling others to do less. If you get the reputation at your base, when gate agents see you coming they may come to expect you to make your announcement and they not have to make theirs.

Second, not only are you fighting a losing battle, you are endangering the livelihood of your fellow pilots by possibly setting a precedent that you alone are willing to uphold. Imagine if management gets wind of what you're doing and decides to make it policy for everyone (this has happened before). Additionally, I'm sure in your announcements and additional service that is seems like everyone is appreciative but I will tell you that if I'm in the back of the plane or gate area and you make an announcement every 5 minutes saying the same thing over and over (with no real info/update), I'm gonna tell a FA to tell you to shut the F up while I get some sleep. There is such a thing as being annoyingly polite.

Most people want to hear that you're sorry for how things are but EVERYBODY wants the situation remedied as soon as possible w/ as little fuss/involvement as possible. Instead of doing others jobs, why not encourage them to do theirs. Explain how it's such a nice thing when they help you by doing so.

I don't want you to get bitter from this or decide it's hopeless. Balance is the key - don't be non-existent but don't be overly persistent. You alone shouldn't feel like you need to try and counteract all that is wrong at F9. You can't and you will suffer (mental health wise) way before putting the slightest of upticks in the F9 reputation.

These are valid points. Thanks for the perspective.


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