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Aero1900 10-15-2024 09:21 AM

Strike Vote
 
I assume a lot of people (myself included) are a little disappointed that we didn't achieve a 100%/100% vote for strike authorization.

However I think that we have to remember that we have a lot of pilots on the list that don't have any prior 121 experience. And not only that, we have a lot of cadets who probably feel that they owe the company something for giving them the opportunity. Additionally, there might have been 1 or 2 ex military guys who felt that striking would go against some of what they learned in the military.

All in all, I think the vote is good enough to effectively send a message to the company, the public and perhaps most importantly, the NMB.

It's a step along the road to a contract. Glad we did it. Thanks to all who voted yes.

Russs 10-15-2024 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3844378)
I assume a lot of people (myself included) are a little disappointed that we didn't achieve a 100%/100% vote for strike authorization.

However I think that we have to remember that we have a lot of pilots on the list that don't have any prior 121 experience. And not only that, we have a lot of cadets who probably feel that they owe the company something for giving them the opportunity. Additionally, there might have been 1 or 2 ex military guys who felt that striking would go against some of what they learned in the military.

All in all, I think the vote is good enough to effectively send a message to the company, the public and perhaps most importantly, the NMB.

It's a step along the road to a contract. Glad we did it. Thanks to all who voted yes.

agreed. I’m not surprised we didn’t get to 100%. I heard at least one line pilot in the training dept. didn’t even know there was a vote out….figure that one out. All in all still a solid turn out and without knowing the exact number of eligible voters, looks like around 60 did not vote. I guess they have their reasons.

biigD 10-15-2024 09:32 AM

You guys still had 99% vote yes though, right? Not bad at all. Go get 'em!

spooldup 10-15-2024 09:40 AM

97/99% isnt too bad... It sucks it isn't 100/100, but I prefer this over seeing something in the low 90s. 97/99 is still insanely good and almost a "margin of error" Especially if some of those 1% maybe misclicked or someone didn't vote but thought they did, etc.

All in all, it sends a clear message and I for one am excited to stand with all of my fellow pilots and fight for the contract we deserve.

madmax757 10-15-2024 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3844390)
97/99% isnt too bad... It sucks it isn't 100/100, but I prefer this over seeing something in the low 90s. 97/99 is still insanely good and almost a "margin of error" Especially if some of those 1% maybe misclicked or someone didn't vote but thought they did, etc.

All in all, it sends a clear message and I for one am excited to stand with all of my fellow pilots and fight for the contract we deserve.

How many of that 3% will cross the picket line if we get that far ? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we strike.

redhot 10-15-2024 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3844378)
I assume a lot of people (myself included) are a little disappointed that we didn't achieve a 100%/100% vote for strike authorization.

However I think that we have to remember that we have a lot of pilots on the list that don't have any prior 121 experience. And not only that, we have a lot of cadets who probably feel that they owe the company something for giving them the opportunity. Additionally, there might have been 1 or 2 ex military guys who felt that striking would go against some of what they learned in the military.

All in all, I think the vote is good enough to effectively send a message to the company, the public and perhaps most importantly, the NMB.

It's a step along the road to a contract. Glad we did it. Thanks to all who voted yes.


I understand your reasoning, but I have 0 sympathy for cadets thinking they owe the company something... They are big boys now and need to understand the labor industry they are in. I honestly wonder if reality has hit them yet that their idea of being at Delta at the end of their contract is not going to happen. I'm still worried they will vote for some POS first draft, but time will tell I guess.

LifetimeCFI 10-15-2024 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3844418)
I understand your reasoning, but I have 0 sympathy for cadets thinking they owe the company something... They are big boys now and need to understand the labor industry they are in. I honestly wonder if reality has hit them yet that their idea of being at Delta at the end of their contract is not going to happen. I'm still worried they will vote for some POS first draft, but time will tell I guess.

It's hilarious watching you guys be so desperate to blame everything and anything you can on the cadets. So much so that you're imagining some mentality that may or likely does NOT exist in any of the cadets at Frontier.

Good number of us are above the age of 30 and want a great contract. Yes, some of us want to move on, myself included. But we still want industry standard contracts for the time that we are here and for the peers we respect so much that want to stay here.

STOP and ENOUGH with stoking the flames of divisiveness in our pilot group about an imagined boogieman in your heads. The cadets are here to stay, and while many probably have ambitions of moving on, we need to help educate them on the current contract and our negotiations. None of them are "thankful" and feel they owe this copmany anything. At least none of the cadets I know, and for sure if they exhibited that mindset among our presence, they would be quickly shown why they shouldn't feel that way in a positive manner that wins their support.

I'm so tired of seeing these petty comments about our qualified peers.

Aero1900 10-15-2024 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3844427)
It's hilarious watching you guys be so desperate to blame everything and anything you can on the cadets. So much so that you're imagining some mentality that may or likely does NOT exist in any of the cadets at Frontier.

Good number of us are above the age of 30 and want a great contract. Yes, some of us want to move on, myself included. But we still want industry standard contracts for the time that we are here and for the peers we respect so much that want to stay here.

STOP and ENOUGH with stoking the flames of divisiveness in our pilot group about an imagined boogieman in your heads. The cadets are here to stay, and while many probably have ambitions of moving on, we need to help educate them on the current contract and our negotiations. None of them are "thankful" and feel they owe this copmany anything. At least none of the cadets I know, and for sure if they exhibited that mindset among our presence, they would be quickly shown why they shouldn't feel that way in a positive manner that wins their support.

I'm so tired of seeing these petty comments about our qualified peers.

That's great. I'm happy I hear that that is your attitude and believe the same of the other cadets. I certainly didn't intend to create any divisions among the group. I want us all to be 100% unified and I'm harpy to hear you are with us. We need it.

I was just trying to guess why we had a few people vote no.


loganeich 10-15-2024 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3844433)
That's great. I'm happy I hear that that is your attitude and believe the same of the other cadets. I certainly didn't intend to create any divisions among the group. I want us all to be 100% unified and I'm harpy to hear you are with us. We need it.

I was just trying to guess why we had a few people vote no.

Even Kim Jong-Un only got 99%, but sure he corrected that issue, lol. North Korea cites rare dissent in elections even as 99% back candidates Reuters

I'm a cadet in my mid 40's that is leaving or about to leave a lucrative career and would vote to strike for an industry standard contract. There are a lot of cadets that are existing professionals from all lines of work that understand the value of a good contract.

APCHCLIMB 10-15-2024 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3844378)

However I think that we have to remember that we have a lot of pilots on the list that don't have any prior 121 experience. And not only that, we have a lot of cadets who probably feel that they owe the company something for giving them the opportunity. Additionally, there might have been 1 or 2 ex military guys who felt that striking would go against some of what they learned in the military.
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Dont forget the army of E3 visas you guys employ.

In the land down under you shake a tree and a pilot falls out. Those boys will do anything to fly an airplane. Good company men.


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