Class dates and aircraft orders.
 

If new hire and upgrades are no longer in the agenda, and now it sounds like they will be needing more COLAS, why would F9 be assuming any new aircraft?

One day BB is stating this was the time to shine, the next month the airline post a significant loss and request a reduction in staffing. It would be great to hear his logic.

because the only real revenue source for frontier is sale leaseback of aircraft. More then likely frontier will take the AC and park planes that are CEO’s

just got a cjo in march, i cant belive this is happening, really was looking forward to start training

Have you been watching the news? It's chaos on the economic front.

My point exactly, this was F9s time to beat the legacies. That is not happening. Delta and UAL are only seeing a 4% drop for the rest of the year. The economy is actually still pretty strong, it did cool down but is significantly higher than it was. F9s path to profit was based on expansion, new markets, and a couple first class seats. So what’s next? Just heard they might be offering early outs in August? Has anyone else heard this today?

100% right. From the White House, we are doing this. Now we are not doing this. We are doing that. Now we are not doing that. Maybe it’s chaotic by design, but other countries have had about enough of our new, manic nature and are starting a new course without us.

The airlines have always been the canary in the coal mine and we are feeling it now.

You mean the administration changing their mind on teriff policy every single day and sometimes multiple times a day while constantly contradicting each other is chaos? Seems like an easy environment for businesses to plan around.

I wonder what tariffs portend for our SLB scheme. Since SLB keeps this whole thing together (especially the new order gravy train), I wonder if cancelling hiring means the deliveries are no longer coming because SLB is no longer viable in this trade environment.

How can anyone plan anything with the costs constantly changing?

Is everyone just speculating that classes and orders are cancelled? Or am I missing something?

Not speculation

I agree. I already have my captains house I bought when an FO. But I definitely wouldn’t be buying a new place right now if I was in buying mode. I have an expensive car I lease. When lease is up in a few months I’m getting something cheap. Hold off on that new furniture for now etc….. and I’m relatively senior here

It's been glaringly obvious to some of us while others are staring at the eclipse. Business leaders want stability so that they can make and execute long-term plans. When they can not predict short-term plans they go into protection mode and that is not growth.

"We don’t have widebodies. We don’t have any of that international. We don’t have any corporate.
And we don’t have any-any government. We don’t even bid for the contracts. So, we’re kinda insulated from that. And in fact, we’re not gonna be part of that bloodbath….
At the end of the day, a reversal of fortune is underway." --BB Apr ‘25

LOAs, no upgrades, no NH classes, stock -80% over the last 5 years, 1Q results revised downward.

Yep, fortune reversed I'd say.

I think we all have known that the man is not a genius, and I am still blown away by those comments. What in the world was he thinking? And if you have to count on a “reversal of fortune” as part of your business model you are a lot more worthless than I thought. It’s shocking to me that the board has not fired this moron yet.

I guess maybe the LCP’s got an email or something? I (just a line pilot) haven’t gotten one but an LCP posted some quote of an email he had seen from the training department on the FB page stating no more hiring/upgrades for 2025 planned.

God who knows? Most of our Airbus are made in America so do we get reprieve? How’s about those motors? Are they mostly made in America?

I can see holding off classes for the summer if there is a slow down. The majority (11/17) of our planes weren't supposed to arrive until Q4. Perhaps we are all looking into the memo a little too literally and over reacting? Perhaps we will all just be flying Thursday, Friday, Sunday, and Monday.

I always chuckle to myself when he says stop doing things that lose money in reference to not flying more on off peak days. What are we going to do if we can’t make money on peak days? Just stop flying? Sounds promising.

Likely no reprieve. My understanding is that Airbus started as an intra-European consortium of component manufacturers. Wings from UK, fuselage from France, stabs from Spain. It worked because of Schengen, and it worked also for Mobile and American customers because we had sane, educated trade policy.

But I’m assuming those European subcomponents are all gonna be tariffed before the get to Mobile, which means yes, Trump screwed us. And he screwed assembly line workers in Mobile. And assembly line workers in Seattle (Boeing customers refusing deliveries because of tit for tat tariffs). And anyone with a 401k. And the list goes on.

Agree with Target that this is all premature. Things change fast and if things reverse course we'll probably be understaffed quite quick. No additional classes planned currently doesn't mean much when Frontier keeps things tight and seems to plan classes with no more than 2-3 months lead time.

Yep... we are still getting planes... We are stopping classes.

But it could change on a dime. 3 weeks ago, it was full steam ahead.

we will have to see what happen with the tariffs for the future airplanes, i mean 10%

The only areas where revenues are rising are International and Premium domestic. Regular domestic is the only down segments.

Not sure how this is a "reversal of fortune".

Me too! Hopefully its just a brief pause and we will be in class in September, but you never know with the airline industry

As of right now we have received no official information that leads us to believe we aren't hiring for the rest of the year. Its all just speculation.

It’s official. Normal line pilots were not privy to the memo but the message within is clear.