It is becoming increasingly clear that LEC 165 is merely prioritizing personal vendettas over effective representation. Yesterday’s Chairman letter provided irrefutable polling data showing that JH and CW are not advocating for the majority of our 2,300 pilots.

But make no mistake—this goes deeper. LEC 165 is acting as a band of "useful idiots" for MP and LEC 169, who are pulling the strings from behind the scenes. While MP hides behind the guise of "keeping his powder dry," he is the one orchestrating this gridlock. The charade needs to end.

If you are in LEC 165 or 169, it is time to initiate a recall for all of them. Without a total change in leadership, we will remain stuck in the same cycle of division that has plagued this MEC for the last two years.

 

We are definitely trying to, It’s hard to do when the Capt Rep won’t put it on the agenda or pushed the LEC meeting down the road. So no chance to vote on it.

 

Per ALPA Constitution & By-Laws, Article XVI, Section 1
Two ways to initiate a recall:

Path 1: Resolution at an LEC Meeting
• Any member in good standing can submit a recall resolution as an agenda item
• Must be submitted at least 15 days before the meeting (standard agenda deadline)
• At the meeting, the resolution is debated and voted on by members present (proxies allowed)
• If it passes by simple majority → triggers a council-wide recall ballot through ALPA National

Path 2: Petition (Article XVI, Section 1.B(1))
• Collect pen-and-ink signatures from 30% of the LEC membership
• Submit petition to the LEC Chair and MEC/National
• Forces a special meeting, then the Path 1 process takes over

Ballot & Timeline (if recall motion passes):
• ALPA National issues the recall ballot to all eligible council members — up to 45 days to issue
• Ballot typically stays open ~30 days
• Realistic end-to-end timeline: 2–3 months from motion filing to final result
• Recall passes by simple majority of ballots cast

If the recall succeeds:
• A snap LEC meeting (15-day notice) is called to vote in interim reps (no proxies — in-person votes only)
• Master Chair appoints an interim chairman if all three council officers are recalled; otherwise the surviving officer presides
• A full election ballot then goes out for permanent replacements

 

The NC (JL + MM) was recalled via a roll call vote by LEC 165 + 169. This reaffirms that the recall of 165 + 169 needs to happen now. Start collecting those signatures. We only need 30%. Get to work folks!

 

Sounds like they are doing their best to burn things down before a recall can happen. 2 negotiating committee members were removed today, and the third is likely to resign.

 

What??? Where did you hear that?

I really hope that's not true

 

That’s awesome. We are going to be starting from zero, or worse, thanks to the unbelievable selfishness of 2 guys. Is there anything ALPA National can do to discipline reps that purposely act against the pilot group’s best interest? Do we as a group have no recourse? Can we sue those two? They are playing with our lives.

 

yeah, let’s stop the infighting by calling for other LECs to recall their reps, brilliant! . I just came on here to see what the quickest and loudest on APC would say and you didn’t disappoint. Now, let’s get the contract done. 165 and 169 aren’t the problem. If you really want to stop the gridlock you might want to look at the side actually trying to tie hands and delay with games and shenanigans. It’s the ones immediately calling for more delays by trying to disrupt the other LEC’s by trying to drum up dissent on APC. Surely you’re better than that.

 

Also, by the way 165 and 169 “are” the majority of the pilot group.

 

165 and 169 are the problem and they are NOT the majority. They may represent the majority, but they are making decisions contrary to what the polling says the real Majority wants. That needs to stop.