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FAULTPUSH 10-13-2012 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1276337)
...I guess many (not most) of the F9 guys would rather fail than be associated with regional pilots.

It's more like I'd rather us fail than watch my seniority stagnate for the next 10-15 years (and that's assuming we double in size every 5 years).


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 1276473)
How many guys have actually taken an Airbus seat that were junior to you before the SLI and are now senior to you? How many Tier 3 FO's have had either junior Lynx guys or Furloughed Midwest guys now senior to them on the SLI take a seat on the E-jet? If separation does occur and you guys are no longer bound by the SLI, will all of the RAH guys that have actually lost seniority in seat going to get their prior seniority back? I guess what I am getting at is, losing seniority is the end game for you guys and are doing what ever you can to separate, but it's tough sh*t for the RAH guys that have actually lost seniority in their seat?

I had to read that about 3 times to understand it, but I think the answer is that:
1. I'd be happy to take all the Lynx guys off your hands by hiring them here.
2. On the SLI, I took a 200% seniority hit (i.e. I have 3 times as many pilot senior to me as I had before) now, and about 1500% hit at retirement. How badly is the seniority impacted for the worst case at RAH?


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1276527)
I've been gone a while, but I thought I remembered some provision in the SLI that barred RAH guys from Fifi's left seat until all the F9 guys had upgraded. Is there such a provision or is my memory flawed?

Only until the fence drops in another 5+ years.


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1276596)
... I would bet that 60-70% of the 1600 pilots that went above you will not even be here by the date the fence would come down. The other 30-40% will be in the left seat of an E-Jet and might not want to go to the bus depending on QOL etc.

Based on that 60-70% leaving, knowing that my relative seniority will only go backwards until we double in size doesn't make me feel any better about the deal. I don't hold out much hope that an E-jet pilot would stick with crappy work rules and half the pay instead of going to the bus.

Bolo 10-13-2012 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1276556)
And these posts are exactly why F9 is being laughed at...and failing.

Failing at what? I believe the IBT has failed miserably for you getting a descent contract. How many years has it been?

Bolo 10-13-2012 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1276603)
Ahh..taking joy in the misery of others, I see. You are a gem, Bolo.


After all the B.S. from you guys, I certainly don't care much for your pilot group as a whole, BUT I would never take pleasure in hearing about someone getting, oh say, a joint MDW-ORD base they don't want.

Closing bases screws with people's lives. I wouldn't wish that on even you. But hey, keep it classy Frontier!

If you have not noticed I do not care for you either RAH BRO!

sticky 10-14-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1276710)
If you have not noticed I do not care for you either RAH BRO!

you're my sunshine, my only sunshine...you make me happy when skies are grey...doo da doo tee doo

SeaRider 10-14-2012 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1276684)
It's more like I'd rather us fail than watch my seniority stagnate for the next 10-15 years (and that's assuming we double in size every 5 years).



I had to read that about 3 times to understand it, but I think the answer is that:
1. I'd be happy to take all the Lynx guys off your hands by hiring them here.
2. On the SLI, I took a 200% seniority hit (i.e. I have 3 times as many pilot senior to me as I had before) now, and about 1500% hit at retirement. How badly is the seniority impacted for the worst case at RAH?



Only until the fence drops in another 5+ years.



Based on that 60-70% leaving, knowing that my relative seniority will only go backwards until we double in size doesn't make me feel any better about the deal. I don't hold out much hope that an E-jet pilot would stick with crappy work rules and half the pay instead of going to the bus.

1. Why Lynx? Because they've paid their dues and RAH pilots have not?

2. Well, I personally lost 846 spots in the integration. Your percentage is meaningless because it's relative to where you are on the list. I didn't lose anywhere near the percentage you did, but I know you didn't slip 846 spots. By your calculations if your #2 CA got 2 people integrated above him, he loses your percentage. I guess my 'windfall' integration that I don't deserve is why I'm an almost 5-year FO looking at going back to reserve next month.

Exactly how long does it take for one to "pay their dues" these days? Less time if you used to work for Lynx, apparently. For your FO's that got hired at F9 after completing at whopping 13 or 14 months at Lakes Air - how have they paid their dues and ours haven't? Just curious what your logic is on all this.

SUX4U 10-14-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1276880)
1. Why Lynx? Because they've paid their dues and RAH pilots have not?

2. Well, I personally lost 846 spots in the integration. Your percentage is meaningless because it's relative to where you are on the list. I didn't lose anywhere near the percentage you did, but I know you didn't slip 846 spots. By your calculations if your #2 CA got 2 people integrated above him, he loses your percentage. I guess my 'windfall' integration that I don't deserve is why I'm an almost 5-year FO looking at going back to reserve next month.

Exactly how long does it take for one to "pay their dues" these days? Less time if you used to work for Lynx, apparently. For your FO's that got hired at F9 after completing at whopping 13 or 14 months at Lakes Air - how have they paid their dues and ours haven't? Just curious what your logic is on all this.

Honestly, from a few guys I have spoke with that were at Lynx, they all seem to say the same thing that F9 guys were dicks to them and then when RAH came along they immediately turned their attention to being dicks to them. I obviously was not there and everyone has there own thickness of skin, but never the less it makes for interesting cocktail laughs about the bi-polar disorder over there.

And as far as the dues paying question you asked... your 5 years of driving an E-jet around is likely more experience then some guys had getting hired at F9, but their defense has and always will be that they earned their job at F9 through getting the interview and job offer. It does not matter that you may have 2K more hours then a good majority had when they got hired from Lakes or where ever they were before. The fact remains they got the job offer there and you did not.

SeaRider 10-14-2012 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1276709)
Failing at what? I believe the IBT has failed miserably for you getting a descent contract. How many years has it been?

Change of subject but...

Couldn't agree more about the IBT!

SeaRider 10-14-2012 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 1276930)
Honestly, from a few guys I have spoke with that were at Lynx, they all seem to say the same thing that F9 guys were dicks to them and then when RAH came along they immediately turned their attention to being dicks to them. I obviously was not there and everyone has there own thickness of skin, but never the less it makes for interesting cocktail laughs about the bi-polar disorder over there.

And as far as the dues paying question you asked... your 5 years of driving an E-jet around is likely more experience then some guys had getting hired at F9, but their defense has and always will be that they earned their job at F9 through getting the interview and job offer. It does not matter that you may have 2K more hours then a good majority had when they got hired from Lakes or where ever they were before. The fact remains they got the job offer there and you did not.

True, but the opportunity isn't there. I cannot interview for a job at F9 even if I wanted to. Fault seems to say that he'd just take the ex-Lynx folks with them, and send us on our merry way. I'm curious his logic behind that considering what has been said about 'due paying' in the past for F9ers.

Supposing the separation happens in full and F9 needs to hire from the street, I suspect an RAH applications will find the ol' round file. In my mind if there is no opportunity, the point about interviewing and getting the job becomes moot.

Bolo 10-14-2012 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 1276930)
And as far as the dues paying question you asked... your 5 years of driving an E-jet around is likely more experience then some guys had getting hired at F9, but their defense has and always will be that they earned their job at F9 through getting the interview and job offer. It does not matter that you may have 2K more hours then a good majority had when they got hired from Lakes or where ever they were before. The fact remains they got the job offer there and you did not.

I agree with you!

embraerjetpilot 10-14-2012 03:23 PM

You guys ever beat a dead horse?


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