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319wisperer 08-08-2013 11:39 AM

Frontier Hiring.
 
Looks like the animal is hiring. Great news for guys who have been stuck at the bottom of the list there since the Rjet intermingling. Regardless of F9s future plans, they are in dire need of more pilots.

https://re2o.ultipro.com/rep1003B/Jo...D58EF6C23278E1

Looks like 2500 total with 500 jet/turboprop.

GAPILOT36 08-08-2013 12:03 PM

Frontier Hiring.
 
Keep in mind getting hired at F9 just means you'll be employed by Spirit soon as well.

cactusmike 08-08-2013 12:05 PM

New type ratings are never a bad thing.

Spoilers 08-08-2013 12:12 PM

Frontier was always one of the companies I wanted to work for. I spent more time in their jumpseats than any other airline. Great pilot group, good bases and I truly believe(ed) in their service and product, but after the whole RAH acquisition, I wasn't so sure.

I will probably still apply and hope everything will work out for Frontier!

JetBlast77 08-08-2013 12:43 PM

So are you basically applying to Republic at this point? The application mentions Republic Airways quite a bit (which I understand since they own them). Just would hate to get the job then be placed in a Q400 class at the bottom of the RAH seniority list.

ShyGuy 08-08-2013 12:56 PM

Isn't it all one list? What's to say this is Frontier hiring and not Republic?

Spoilers 08-08-2013 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1459155)
So are you basically applying to Republic at this point? The application mentions Republic Airways quite a bit (which I understand since they own them). Just would hate to get the job then be placed in a Q400 class at the bottom of the RAH seniority list.

I didn't see any mention of RAH in the job posting on the Frontier web site. Republic has their own web site, application web site and requirements.

USMCFLYR 08-08-2013 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1459133)
Frontier was always one of the companies I wanted to work for. I spent more time in their jumpseats than any other airline. Great pilot group, good bases and I truly believe(ed) in their service and product, but after the whole RAH acquisition, I wasn't so sure.

I will probably still apply and hope everything will work out for Frontier!

Back in the mid to late 2000s I was flying on Frontier quite a few times.
I remember wondering what I was going to do when I retired and all of my peers were getting on with the airlines. I remember riding on Frontier and thinking - I really like what I'm seeing from this airline. The planes (the cabin of course - never saw the cockpits), the FA's (and once how she handled an unruly passenger who wasn't listening to instructions!), the CSAs, the on-time performance, etc....and I thought - this would be a great airline to be with.

Then I retired. Then I started to learn more about the airline industry. I learned that many of my perceptions of the lifestyle and day-to-day workings were somewhat colored by fairly senior people in the airlines or at least at the majors. Then they were bought by Republic, and I thought to myself - I don' think I would want to work there now.

I don't know really. I'm not knowledgable enough to make a call on what life is like at Frontier - but I remember wishing them the best of luck as they seemed to go through some tough times. I look forward to flying on them if given a chance and I hope that they are still the same airline that I thought I'd want to be a part of. Class act Frontier - at least from my seat.:D

Climbto450 08-08-2013 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by GAPILOT36 (Post 1459128)
Keep in mind getting hired at F9 just means you'll be employed by Spirit soon as well.

If your lucky!

Spoilers 08-08-2013 01:55 PM

Hmm...

Thank you for your interest in the FFO1012 - Pilot position with Republic Airways. Your application has been received. We will review your application and contact you if we believe your background, experience and skills are a good match for this position.

Sincerely,

Republic Airways Holdings
Recruitment Department



After seeing this confirmation e-mail I can see why some of you are skeptical now. If I get a call from Republic for anything other than Frontier and Airbus position, I will tell them to stick it.

ShyGuy 08-08-2013 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1459196)
Hmm...

Thank you for your interest in the FFO1012 - Pilot position with Republic Airways. Your application has been received. We will review your application and contact you if we believe your background, experience and skills are a good match for this position.

Sincerely,

Republic Airways Holdings
Recruitment Department



After seeing this confirmation e-mail I can see why some of you are skeptical now. If I get a call from Republic for anything other than Frontier and Airbus position, I will tell them to stick it.

Nothing prevents a good ol bait-n-switch. I heard QR was infamous for that. They'd hire you for the 777 class and when you show up day 1 you'd find out it was an A320. If Republic gets desperate, nothing stops them from baiting and switching last second due to "operational necessity."

bluelion 08-08-2013 02:14 PM

On the app it says military time conversion applicable- but it does not state what the conversion is??? maybe .3 per military sortie? or 1.3 x flight time? any thoughts?

slammer1906 08-08-2013 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1459167)
Back in the mid to late 2000s I was flying on Frontier quite a few times.
I remember wondering what I was going to do when I retired and all of my peers were getting on with the airlines. I remember riding on Frontier and thinking - I really like what I'm seeing from this airline. The planes (the cabin of course - never saw the cockpits), the FA's (and once how she handled an unruly passenger who wasn't listening to instructions!), the CSAs, the on-time performance, etc....and I thought - this would be a great airline to be with.

Then I retired. Then I started to learn more about the airline industry. I learned that many of my perceptions of the lifestyle and day-to-day workings were somewhat colored by fairly senior people in the airlines or at least at the majors. Then they were bought by Republic, and I thought to myself - I don' think I would want to work there now.

I don't know really. I'm not knowledgable enough to make a call on what life is like at Frontier - but I remember wishing them the best of luck as they seemed to go through some tough times. I look forward to flying on them if given a chance and I hope that they are still the same airline that I thought I'd want to be a part of. Class act Frontier - at least from my seat.:D


Oh yea, you're going to apply.

alpo 08-08-2013 05:15 PM

Is the airline getting bought by Spirit, or are they just taking the planes after Frontier Parks them? The latter you'll be stuck at RP when the planes get parked and not go to Spirit.

workingforfree 08-08-2013 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1459196)
Hmm...

Thank you for your interest in the FFO1012 - Pilot position with Republic Airways. Your application has been received. We will review your application and contact you if we believe your background, experience and skills are a good match for this position.

Sincerely,

Republic Airways Holdings
Recruitment Department



After seeing this confirmation e-mail I can see why some of you are skeptical now. If I get a call from Republic for anything other than Frontier and Airbus position, I will tell them to stick it.

That's a big ole vomit!

John Carr 08-08-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1459167)
Back in the mid to late 2000s I was flying on Frontier quite a few times.
I remember wondering what I was going to do when I retired and all of my peers were getting on with the airlines. I remember riding on Frontier and thinking - I really like what I'm seeing from this airline. The planes (the cabin of course - never saw the cockpits), the FA's (and once how she handled an unruly passenger who wasn't listening to instructions!), the CSAs, the on-time performance, etc....and I thought - this would be a great airline to be with.

Then I retired. Then I started to learn more about the airline industry. I learned that many of my perceptions of the lifestyle and day-to-day workings were somewhat colored by fairly senior people in the airlines or at least at the majors. Then they were bought by Republic, and I thought to myself - I don' think I would want to work there now.

I don't know really. I'm not knowledgable enough to make a call on what life is like at Frontier - but I remember wishing them the best of luck as they seemed to go through some tough times. I look forward to flying on them if given a chance and I hope that they are still the same airline that I thought I'd want to be a part of. Class act Frontier - at least from my seat.

I've been commuting on them for over a decade now.

Not they're the ONLY one to go through a transformation. But it was sad to watch the transformation of a company that was pretty good, had mostly happy employees, a good customer base, etc get pretty much wrecked by RAH holding.

Of course, the spin could go multiple directions on that, but just sayin'........

Lobaeux 08-08-2013 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by alpo (Post 1459301)
Is the airline getting bought by Spirit, or are they just taking the planes after Frontier Parks them? The latter you'll be stuck at RP when the planes get parked and not go to Spirit.

No, Frontier is not being bought by Spirit, nor are the planes being bought by Spirit.

This hasn't been confirmed, but conventional wisdom says an investment vehicle by the name of Indigo is purchasing Frontier.

USMCFLYR 08-08-2013 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by slammer1906 (Post 1459229)
Oh yea, you're going to apply.

Really think I should?
What do you think would be the advantages? :)

Lobaeux 08-08-2013 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1459325)
Really think I should?
What do you think would be the advantages? :)

I think you've got a pretty good gig right now USMCFLYR, I'd hang on to it. ;)

USMCFLYR 08-08-2013 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1459326)
I think you've got a pretty good gig right now USMCFLYR, I'd hang on to it. ;)

:) I just wanted to know what he thought might be the pros!
They always say keep an open mind right? ;)

Lobaeux 08-08-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1459331)
:) I just wanted to know what he thought might be the pros!
They always say keep an open mind right? ;)

Haha! I wanna see too.

Wait! I came up with one pro: no reports with Frontier!

sulkair 08-08-2013 05:59 PM

Kind of a strange application, but really easy. Nowhere did it ask for any pilot stuff. The only indication that I'm even a pilot is my most current employer and position.

John Carr 08-08-2013 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1459340)
Kind of a strange application, but really easy. Nowhere did it ask for any pilot stuff. The only indication that I'm even a pilot is my most current employer and position.

I don't claim to have any inside knowledge, just a guess.

But maybe it's simply an HR pre-screen.

There was a few SW app windows where all you had to do was use the pilotcredentials site.

Then on the last one (IIRC/I think) you had to fill out a basic HR from as well as pilotcredentials.

zoooropa 08-08-2013 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1459202)
Nothing prevents a good ol bait-n-switch. I heard QR was infamous for that. They'd hire you for the 777 class and when you show up day 1 you'd find out it was an A320. If Republic gets desperate, nothing stops them from baiting and switching last second due to "operational necessity."

Frontier is currently short FO's and we are taking delivery of another aircraft in Q4 so they need to hire a small class.

The fact that this position is currently being advertised by RAH instead of F9 is actually perfect. We plan on hiring again later this year/beginning of next after we separate and this is one more thing to bring up to the NMB. Frontier will handle future job openings, not RAH.

If you apply for a F9 position prior to the separation there is still no way you can end up at RAH. RAH has held numerous new hire classes and vacancy bids over the past year and none of those positions were open to F9 pilots. Similarly, F9 had a staffing adjustment when MKE was closed and CHI was opened. No RAH pilots were allowed to bid.

This is an F9 job and hopefully the last F9 job posting that will ever be managed by RAH. Best of luck to everyone on both sides of the fence, we will all probably need it as we go our separate ways.

Car Ramrod 08-09-2013 03:29 AM

Thanks for the clarification Zoo. It will be F9 management and pilots conducting the interview as well correct?

WARich 08-09-2013 06:43 AM

So, how is Frontier to work at these days? QOL, future, etc....

sulkair 08-09-2013 07:44 AM

Wow, it took only 12 hours to get the "Thanks but no thanks" email. The email itself is not unexpected, but why so quickly?

I'm very curious about this, because like I said in previous post - there wasn't much in the application to distinguish me from any other pilot.

Maybe it is one of those deals where they need a small class and plan to grab them all via powerful internal recs, but for the sake of propriety must post the vacancy to the public?

Whatever helps me sleep at night :)

embraerjetpilot 08-09-2013 07:55 AM

Just ask the last set of new hires how well they were treated!

TheFly 08-09-2013 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1459565)
Wow, it took only 12 hours to get the "Thanks but no thanks" email. The email itself is not unexpected, but why so quickly?

I'm very curious about this, because like I said in previous post - there wasn't much in the application to distinguish me from any other pilot.

Maybe it is one of those deals where they need a small class and plan to grab them all via powerful internal recs, but for the sake of propriety must post the vacancy to the public?

Whatever helps me sleep at night :)

Did you get the "your application has been recieved" email first?

terryhflyer 08-09-2013 08:34 AM

Frontier Hiring.
 
The ones that gave up their seniority rights and did not screw over the rest of the Frontier pilots were treated pretty well.

N927EV 08-09-2013 09:00 AM

How many are they looking to hire?

tom14cat14 08-09-2013 09:30 AM

I got the Thanks but no thanks email today also. Quickest one I have had

sulkair 08-09-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 1459569)
Did you get the "your application has been recieved" email first?

The Fly... Yes, I got the application accepted email last night, 30 minutes after I submitted, and then this morning the rejection email.

Mojito 08-09-2013 10:10 AM

They are working furiously to get a class ready for Sept/Oct (we are extremely short on the FO side). I would imagine they are going through the apps as soon as they come in, but i have no idea what their rejection criteria is. It's amazing how quick things get done when desperation is involved.

Mojito 08-09-2013 10:12 AM

Chicago (ORD/MDW)

Farmlover 08-09-2013 10:42 AM

Shouldn't this be in the regional area?

sulkair 08-09-2013 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1459657)
Shouldn't this be in the regional area?

Ouch! That was uncalled for. Last I checked they flew narrow bodies.

sulkair 08-09-2013 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by tom14cat14 (Post 1459619)
I got the Thanks but no thanks email today also. Quickest one I have had



Hey Tom14,

You got a 4 year? I only have an associates, I bet that's what killed me so quickly. Other than that - no flight times, or types were asked, so I'm thinking that's all they had to go on. Unless my spilling the beans about the ticket I got for not registering my car within 60 days of moving to Florida put the nail in the coffin.

[Warning TMI]

You know, getting hired at a Major is more of a lifestyle than anything. When I rolled the dice on waiting to register the car, I never even thought "Airline Career could be in Jeopardy" Probably should have. Or all those years I tried to convince myself that a decade's service to my country in the US Navy, pulling sea duty on several aircraft carriers, would carry as much weight as a bachelors degree. Boy that was a deep dark and dirty little lie I whispered to myself, cuz it don't! Not even close. But we all know this, and I'm an idiot for not knocking it out. Never too late, I suppose.

PS. :eek:I purposely used the word don't when I should have used doesn't.

EMB120IP 08-09-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1459671)
Hey Tom14,

You got a 4 year? I only have an associates, I bet that's what killed me so quickly. Other than that - no flight times, or types were asked, so I'm thinking that's all they had to go on. Unless my spilling the beans about the ticket I got for not registering my car within 60 days of moving to Florida put the nail in the coffin.

[Warning TMI]

You know, getting hired at a Major is more of a lifestyle than anything. When I rolled the dice on waiting to register the car, I never even thought "Airline Career could be in Jeopardy" Probably should have. Or all those years I tried to convince myself that a decade's service to my country in the US Navy, pulling sea duty on several aircraft carriers, would carry as much weight as a bachelors degree. Boy that was a deep dark and dirty little lie I whispered to myself, cuz it don't! Not even close. But we all know this, and I'm an idiot for not knocking it out. Never too late, I suppose.

PS. :eek:I purposely used the word don't when I should have used doesn't.


I wouldn't take it too personally this first time around. With class being run so quickly, they probably are looking for specific jobs held at that persons current airline and are being very picky.

sulkair 08-09-2013 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by EMB120IP (Post 1459675)
I wouldn't take it too personally this first time around. With class being run so quickly, they probably are looking for specific jobs held at that persons current airline and are being very picky.

I hadn't thought of that. You're probably right; instead of "pilot" in the box, perhaps "check airman" would grab. I got ya.


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