Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1535258)

Therein lies the problem. Now that IBT are the representatives they are the only party that can petition the NMB on behalf of the pilot group.

Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1535258)

We may learn more about the sale on Tuesday when document 118 gets released in the LOA 67 lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Wiscopilot (Post 1535320)

I think that is one of the big problems with this fantasy.
Who is going to file this petition with the NMB? Bolo, Zooroopa and some of the boys would like the federal government to come in and bust up a union shop, a Teamster's shop?
This is going to be entertaining I would suggest putting the same legal experts on retainer that got you in to this mess....

Originally Posted by kspilot (Post 1535379)

Even if you got a slot over there would you want to take it? Its a small group and they seem pretty close for the most part. Doesn't sound like to much fun to be "that guy" at a pretty small airline. At least with them being setup with EFB B now you wouldn't have a kit bag for people to defecate in every week, so you've at least got that going for you.

Originally Posted by toomanyrjs (Post 1535416)

That's the thing the IBT fools don't seem to realize. If hell were to somehow freeze over and some RJ punks were awarded Airbus seats, their lives would be a living hell. That's assuming they even made it through training. The IBT should just accept the FACT that F9 is no longer any of their concern and go back to that awesome JetBlue or better contract that's just around the corner.

Originally Posted by toomanyrjs (Post 1535416)

That's the thing the IBT fools don't seem to realize. If hell were to somehow freeze over and some RJ punks were awarded Airbus seats, their lives would be a living hell. That's assuming they even made it through training. The IBT should just accept the FACT that F9 is no longer any of their concern and go back to that awesome JetBlue or better contract that's just around the corner.

Originally Posted by ex9driver (Post 1535525)

"Living Hell". Kind of like flying with you? BTW, you must have made it through training somewhere. Unless your actually a manager at Home Depot ,( a distinct possibility I think). So thanks for giving hope to the lowest of the low!

Originally Posted by kspilot (Post 1535720)

If he made it through an interview maybe you could too.

Originally Posted by zoooropa (Post 1535359)

Indigo did the "busting" and the holding company has fragmented. Frontier has absolutely no link to RAH. If you don't believe me maybe you will believe the IBT...

"According to press reports, the sale to Indigo is supposed to be finalized by the end of this month, November 2013. Indigo is a private equity firm, is not affiliated with RAH in any way, and intends to run Frontier as a stand alone carrier.

Given this recent significant change, the IBT ...asks the NMB to conduct an investigation of Frontier and Republic on the essential question of wether a single carrier still exists."

This is from a letter from the IBT to the NMB dated November 7th 2013. The IBT Airline Division was apparently trying to prevent the AFA from conducting an election prior to the closing of the sale of F9.

The F9 pilots will not be attempting to "bust up" a "union shop" any more than the IBT has just attempted to maintain their "union shop" with the RAH Flight Attendants. The IBT is trying to use the sale to insulate themselves from an election while the F9 pilots will use the sale to initiate an election. The fact that the IBT submitted this argument less than a month prior to FAPA petitioning the NMB with the same argument was an early Christmas present. Thank you very much IBT.

Finally, anyone can petition the IBT. The NMB Representation Manual states the following;

"Participants

Participants in a representation matter are: the carrier, any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees or any incumbent representative of a carrier’s employees. The term “participant” includes parties defined below.

Parties are any labor organization(s) or individual(s) seeking to represent a carrier’s employees and any incumbent representative of the carrier’s employees.

One does not need to search too far back in history to find an example of an individual petitioning the NMB who is part of a class and craft that is already represented by a Union. These individuals were not "busting" a "Union shop", they were simply advocating for a different Union. In one well known case a Union member contacted the NMB asking how he could remove his current Union. The NMB sent the individual a representation manual and a template for Authorization Cards. The concept that "only a Union can petition the NMB" is ludicrous.

Thankfully we won't have to predict what the NMB will do for much longer. There are already three F9 craft and classes on the NMB's desk.

Originally Posted by zoooropa (Post 1535359)

One does not need to search too far back in history to find an example of an individual petitioning the NMB who is part of a class and craft that is already represented by a Union. These individuals were not "busting" a "Union shop", they were simply advocating for a different Union. In one well known case a Union member contacted the NMB asking how he could remove his current Union. The NMB sent the individual a representation manual and a template for Authorization Cards. The concept that "only a Union can petition the NMB" is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1536485)

Somewhere in the IBT bylaws or constitution, there is language that specifically says that members will be in big trouble if they try to organize a card drive for another union. No freedom of speech allowed!