Sale of Frontier finalized
 

As of today there are no longer any ties (financial, operational, etc) between F9 and RAH...

Sale of Frontier Airlines is finalized - The Denver Post

And Spirit #2 begins.

What about the tie of the Seniority list.

Peace out F9 bro's! Hope we all end up in a better place than were we have been over the past few years.

It will all be in the hands of the NMB soon.

Great news for the future of Frontier. I believe that Frontier will be able to be even more competitive in DEN against United and SW. I wonder how Franke will differentiate Frontier from Spirit? I doubt he will do a copy cat airline with a different paint job, but who knows?

Frontier needed this badly. Cutting ties to RAH will allow Frontier to move forward. Indigo will inject some money into the airline, grow it into new markets and offer a great alternative to SWA. Hopefully there will be growth and a steady stream of new pilots getting hired. So far I have loved working for Frontier. Wonderful group of people at this airline.

Until someone else buys F9.....

Risky business putting the rest of ones career into the carriers like F9.... Good Luck...

Unfortunately, F9 will never be able to compete with SWA. F/As hawking everything under the sun and selling sodas won't fly with DEN passengers.

Has Wal-Mart made it to Denver? Thought so.

...as evidenced by record load factors for over a year. Seems to be "flying" just fine, but thanks for your expert analysis.

Oh crap, Southwest is coming to Denver? We won't last 6 months.

Unfortunately.....full planes don't necessarily mean profitable flights.

True, but a $29.8M third quarter profit does. Of course, you'd know that if you did a little research before sharing your amazing insight. Besides, we were talking about whether or not the people of DEN would "stand for" an ULCC. His comment was that they wouldn't. Obviously, load factor proves that statement incorrect. Profit is a whole other topic. Please, try to keep up...

^^ Ha ha, that was hilarious

Original post was "sale finalized"...nothing more, nothing less. I shouldn't be surprised that this turned into a negativity circle jerk within the first page of replies but I am.

The ratio of "supporting fellow pilots: pilots wishing our demise" on this website is unfortunate.

Best of luck to all involved, and to those that cast stones in an industry rife with glass houses.

Absolutely right, because unlike everywhere else in the country, DEN passengers don't care about the ticket price.

He has PBS there, right? Something he wanted at NK for years, prepare for it to get ugly.

I mean prepare in the best sense. I wish you guys the best of luck!

Frontier pilots still bid hard line. No PBS. The flight attendants however are on PBS

Oh thats great to hear!! For the pilots that is.

It's absolutely irrelevant, just like the Toonsters. :D

#gotconcessionsagain??

Good riddance to the most condescending and rude group of pilots you'll ever meet. Maybe cocky is a better word. The reputation has spread though as many have witnessed it.

You all can do yourself a favor and dump Jeff Thomas. Guys a worthless weasel.

I will miss Bolo though. See ya my FroBros!

Does this mean that the shouts of "Tastes great! Less filling!" from the same few people are going to end? Golly, that would be a shame.

You can always go watch the DALPA/DPA fiasco if you miss that sort of thing.

Excluding yourself, some of the Frontier pilots on here are like the Terrell Owens of the airline industry. Hanging around in the league, with some talent, but easy to dislike because they talk too much ( mostly about themselves) and demean their peers, who are just as talented if not more talented. Toomanyrjs is an exception. He is more like Garo Yepremian throwing a pass in Superbowl VII. I hope that sheds some light on it. Good luck for you going forward. Your gonna need it.

It's tough to argue with that line of reasoning, but I'll give it a shot:

I disagree.

Sale of Frontier finalized
 

I think it will be tough to compete with spirit. On the other hand frontier has tools to be the easy jet of United States vs the Ryanair (spirit is like Ryanair )

Good luck to you all. I just hope DAVE the seagull will run airline into profitability unlike his past dealings at Usairways and Avis

Thanks for all the jumpseats taking me home / work.

Tiller, peace and no hard feelings. Wish all of you at RAH the best.
BOLO

Oooooo.....$29 million.

I'm sure everything will be fine then.:rolleyes:

Christmass a few weeks early!

Republic Airways Completes Sale Of Frontier Airlines To Venture Capital Firm

Happy Holidays!
:D;):D

Like I said, profit is a whole other issue. Guess reading comprehension isn't a strength for you. Sorry for asking you to keep up. I now see you are incapable.

I think the chances of Siegel staying here are slim to none. RAH extended his employment contract until 1/14 so he could cash in on a "success payment" related to the sale of F9. When he was originally pegged as the CEO it was a perfect fit for F9. We needed PE and he specializes in attracting capital. He did exactly what he came here to do, and now that it is done he has no reason to stay.

Good luck with Mr. Franke. Y'all gonna need it!

It will be very interesting to see how Bill Franke runs Frontier. The guy has probably the best track record of success of any airline CEO. Will he put up a major fight when it comes time to negotiate a new contract? Absolutely, but who isn't? I'm sure he learned something during the Spirit strike. I'm sure he wont want to go down that road again, but of course he will push us as close as he can.

Frontier needs an injection of money and a new direction forward. Indigo/Franke will provide this. Frontier has already been strongly moving toward the ULCC model, and has been fighting to lower its costs for a long time. This is an airline that has been through bankruptcy and been owned by RAH. I really don't think that Franke is going to all of a sudden make things worse for us.

If Franke was taking over UAL or DAL I would agree with the above comment, but Frontier is already pretty damn close to what he is looking for. I don't see huge changes coming to Frontier that will cause much heart ache for the pilots. What I can see is a higher utilization of the aircraft which could hurt some guys schedules, but I think that FAR 117 should keep that is check.

I see growth, future hires and upgrades at Frontier. Something this place needs really bad. The future is bright at Frontier.

We are pretty used to Bedford so I don't think it could get any worse with Franke.

Were any RAH types able to bid over to F9 since the SLI?

No! Different CBA's do not allow it.

The IBT is attempting a last ditch, desperation expedited arbitration to settle this issue. F9 is currently hiring of the street and the IBT wants the positions filled via the IMSL. Unfortunately, RAH has been hiring off the street continually since the IMSL was issued. Ironically, the IBT had nothing to say about the filling of vacancies at RAH via the IMSL (even the filling of unfenced 190's and Q400's) but now, surprise surprise this is a pressing issue that requires expedited arbitration.

The IMSL has never filled a vacancy at F9 to date. We have filled vacancies one way since the IMSL was issued, F9 DOH (the IBT didn't say anything about that either).

Arbitration is apparently scheduled for late January. By then this ship won't even be a spot on the horizon.

The CASM of NK is 6.9 , Frontiers is 6.4 range on the 319s. The spread is even bigger on the 320s. (7.4 vs. 5.6) So Frontier cannot compete with NK unless they offer flights for high yielding customers. That's why I think F9 will look like EasyJet of Europe vs. NK being similar to Ryanair.

That is a good analysis. I buy that.

Not sure I understand, why can't frontier compete if their CASM is LOWER?