How can Trans States pilots kill GoJet?
 

Is there anything that the pilots over at Trans States can do about GoJets? I see they are in contract negotiations right now.

I know what I am doing about GoJets. I am educating anyone about why it would be a mistake to fly there. I don't allow GoJet pilots on my jumpseat. But what else can we do, or what else can Trans States pilots do?

The only thing that can be done in a situation like this is educate the masses. I'm a bit dissapointed in ALPA for not taking the initiative to send a rep to every college, fbo, and/or flight school of any type, and explain to prospective pilots the effects of working at a scab operation like gojets. The negative impact to the industry as a whole.

In other words, if they can't hire enough people, eventually they might be forced to intergrate the pilot groups, without compromising the TSA contract like Mesa with Freedom a few years back.

My two cents.

ALPA misses the boat on a lot of things, it is because they think like a union employee (me, me, me, me, me) Once they stop thinking like that, they MIGHT be able to do some things worthwhile. They just are not business minded.

AOPA can send mail three times over to anyone and everyone out there. ALPA could at least send a leaflet

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much pro-ALPA, but I do have to admit that in my humble opinion they have dropped the ball on this one. Maybe emails and mail outs like duck said...anything to educate folks on this issue before it turns into a bigger problem.

Unfortunately, the only way to really get rid of them would be to negotiate it with the company. This would require massive concessions, PLUS the integration of the GJ seniority list into TSA. Very, very painful (mesa did this with Freedom A, look where THEY are today)

The fact that GJ is "represented" by teamsters doesn't make this any easier :mad: :mad: :mad:

"represented" with the quotes, is the key word.

Is this suprising that ALPA didn't do anything? Sure isnt for me.

they were too busy balancing thier sticker budget.

HAHAHA Exactly.

There is no way anything is going to change with the gojet/Trans States deal. It is done, finalized, finished, etc...

It is disgusting what management did to those guys who fly the line to make the owner, Uncle Hoolas, rich. What it is even more disgusting are the people in management who were at one time pilots and allow this sht happen. Did I forget the people that took the jobs at gojet knowing this was going on? But last I heard, Trans States wasn't having any problems getting anyone to show up for interviews. Which means to me that there are still plenty of people who can't wait to fly jets, no matter how much they make or how many of their peers despise them.

they are indeed having trouble getting people to interviews. They have went through every single resume on file. Now they are holding job fairs to find "qualified applicants".

coming from a sky west 'scab' like you ....this means nothing....keep taking planes from an ALPA carrier and call someone else a scab.....your pathetic....

Haven't we already discussed the proper usage of "scab" to death on these forums? I'm a new member and I know I've seen it a dozen times.

there is ZERO proper usage of the word scab on the regional forums.......everyone who thinks they are being undercut crys about it....but rejoyces when its them that get the flying.....
I was only using is to highlight the hipocracy or a non union carrier growing at huge rates while their union sister carrier takes the hits.....plain and simple there is no difference.....reguardless when or where the companies were formed.....

"I was only using is to highlight the hipocracy or a non union carrier growing at huge rates while their union sister carrier takes the hits"

Be that as it may, I suggest you post in the future in a more respectful manner. Throwing the word scab around is like throwing the F word around. That, along with the personal insult, puts your post over the line of what's accepted at this site.

Actually, there are a lot of new guys that finish IOE, get 100 hours and go somewhere else. Some don't even wait to get 100 hours.

I remember that when I started that every CA told me to leave asap. But, I was stupid and didn't realize things were as bad as they were until I got scared of being furloughed and left. I live in St. Louis and not wanting to commute was my justification. I feel bad for the guys who stay after the 100 hours because they are going to be abused.

So you are guys are having trouble getting people? That surprises me. Seems like they always have enough just to get by.

This, coming from the BlowJets pilots. :rolleyes:

Not all of the FO lines in STL will filled this month. Same for RIC.

are you serious? that guy, goarmy, with the 2nd grade spelling abilities, who talks about airlines taking flying from ALPA carriers, is a pilot for snowjets? he obviously doesn't know the history of his own company. i guess you can tell yourself anything inside to sleep at night.

Truth be told, he really works for Eagle. However, he's pro-GJ and has made it clear he's more than happy about what happened to the Trans States pilot group.

your correct! And I should NOT have called Rick a scab, even if it was a joke on the EXTREME missuse of the word by young regional pilots who need drama, and I am sorry for doing so....because he is in no way one....nor is a GJ pilot....however since it seems to be the norm on the regional forums to wrongly use the word , and to point out the complete stupidity of the whole thing that why I chose to use it...to point out that everyone steals flying blames it on the pilots

bring it on all your crybaby regional FOs.... most of you make me embarrassed to work for a regional carrier. I recently JS on Southwest and the Captain said the next time he hears a regional pilot cry about this whole thing he is going to kick him off the airplane.....now THAT is funny stuff!! Keep on crying about this whole thing, and so called educating the masses...it seems to be going over like a turd in a punch bowl....i love it!

Regional flying is temp work and contract flying.....if you think otherwise enjoy....EVERYONE 'steals' everyones flying in the regionals, its not the pilots fault. GJ has a union, and the entire thing has been taken to court and PROOVEN ( sp wrong just for you buddy) to NOT be a violation of TSA scope and contract....so anyone who works there , reguardless of the time the started.....is not guilty of anything.....pilots are not to blame here.....its the companies.

I do know the history of GJ, and I also know the history of AE.....AE was formed to screw the AA pilots over....plain and simple...lower wages, crappy work rules but flying all AAs old routes....yes the pilots at AA 'gave' up that flying.....but do you think they did so without being pressured into it by the company?? They almost went on strike over AE getting jets....

One of the most humorus things I hear on this subject is : " the GJ pilots chose to work there and screw over fellow pilots" ...I call BS here....however if that is true then so is this : Anyone who choses to work at Skywest or AE or any other regional that grew at the expense of mainline OR at the expense of another regional carrier is doing the same thing...." there is nothing I can do about what my company does" isnt a valid excuse based on the whole 'GJ pilots screwed over fellow pilots BS'

In the mean time , I will enjoy watching the baby faced FOs out there get all hussy about a GJ pilot that is doing the same thing they are doing....fun times!

Once again...rick I was wrong in my earlier post...reguardless of my intent, I just am curious about how a pilot working for a non union carrier that takes planes from an ALPA carrier can call other pilots names....even though none of this is entirely the fault of pilots.....

ps all the spelling errors are for my little buddy! wipe your snotty nose off and have fun!

Do you know anything about what TSA gladly did to AE? and yes AE furloughed pilots while TSA 'took' their airplanes,flying and upgrades.....

of course I dont blame one TSA pilot....because I know its not their fault at all! AMR took those planes and gave them to TSA....AND it was grieved and lost by AE pilots.....so life goes on, maybe TSA pilots should do the same...just bringing up a very similar thing that happend not too long ago.

So to answer.....no I dont really care what happend to them....because companies are going to do what they can to screw us all over until there is a serious fix to pilot unity in this country. However in the mean time....If I stand the line here at AE....and do the 'so called right thing' by staying with an ALPA carrier...what do I get? Here is a good guess.....EVERYONE else will do whatever they can at SKW, RAH and many others to get PIC time, no one will care nore will it help me to stay, the backstabbing will continue,others will get pic however they can, in the best career intrest of the individual pilots....and not once will they think of whos' flying it is....where it came from , or what mainline pilot had to sit furloughed for 5+ years while they gladly got PIC time.

I don't think some of the people involved in this conversation understand why GoJet and Freedom are actually set apart from the rest of the regional airlines. Competition between airlines like AE, TSA, and Mesa is normal and good. The problems start when the holding company for an airline starts a new airline, one which infringes on the operational scope of the original airline. Additionally, the pilot group for the start-up is not represented by any union, which allows the parent company to pay these pilots less.
These pilots are not scabs. (The term scab is reserved for any pilot who crosses a picket line, or goes to work, during a strike)
However, these pilots did choose to go to work for a company that is unfairly taking business from another company under the same holdings company. The financial link between the two companies is what makes this situation unfair. For someone to argue that TSA is in the wrong for taking business from AE shows a lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of capitalism.
Lets put this in perspective. I pay you to do a job for me. You have a union and we have a contract which defines your rights and my obligations to you. Today, I hired a new person to work for me. He does not have a union, and I pay him less. I take some of your work and give it to him. Because of this, there is less work for you to do, and you are paid less. I obviously do not think this is fair, and the vast majority of commercial airline pilots would agree. This is why GoJet and Freedom A pilots are "blacklisted" by ALPA and other pilot unions. AE doesn't fit into this catagory because the flying they do is not within the scope of the AA pilot contract. In other words, the work they do is not taking any work away from AA pilots.

In any case, although I think goarmy's arguments are completely unfounded and uninformed, I do agree with him about the pilots in this country not being a united group. It doesn't matter to me that there are more than a few unions out there, but at least the unions should all work toward a group of common goals.

VERY WELL PUT! Thanks for posting that so I didn't have to.:D

uh....GoJet is not a violation of the TSA scope clause.....its was taken to court and proven so.

and Gojet pilots are completely not blacklisted......they are getting hired at ALPA carriers like Fedex and Continental....and other crappy airlines like Southwest, and will get hired at any ALPA carrier in the future also......have fun with your fake little 'clear list ' its not doing a thing but making you look like fools

this is a kiddie table issue and the boys at the big table are laughing at you

Alter-ego carriers normally function in the absence of appropriate scope. Just because scope doesn't exist doesn't mean it's OK to participate in alter-ego.

I'm taking my lists with me when I go (freedom and GJ) and I assume that I'll get at least a little mileage out of them over the next several decades.