Hourly rate increase
 

Was in STL recently for reecurrent and my sim partner went downstairs to take advantage of the new hire dinner at Friday’s ( which by the way somebody probably ruined because now you only get two drinks instead of all you can drink:rolleyes:). He was mingling to all the higher ups and there seems to be a lot of talk about a possible pay increase across the board to stay competitive..... fingers crossed.

Higher ups mingling... sounds like a great way to start a rumor to help with the already evident attrition, without actually doing anything about it.

It’s clearly eveident from the most recent bid info that a lot of pilots have already left, and many of us know other pilots that are on their way out to other airlines, including other regionals. The time to “talk” about pay increases was in novemeber when the Endeavor TA passed. At this point they are already behind the power curve and talk isn’t going to stop the resignations. They need action, now.

On the other hand...300% coming soon! Haha

It is part of their playbook. In 2011 they started talking about a 10% increase a year before the contract was to expire. They wanted to make everyone think that being competitive was important to them and that the contract would be settled quickly and that everyone should stay because they would be getting a big raise soon.

Instead, the contract ended in 2012 and after 4 years we got a 7% increase. That was 1.75% raise for each year of negotiating.

It is much cheaper to talk about a pay increase then to pay a pay increase.

But, of course its a new game now with few pilots out there. Unfortunately, Hulas plays chess while the pilots play checkers.

Yeah I agree, but like you said it’s a completely different game these days. I don’t see a small pay increase as being unreasonable. From what I heard it’s some sort of leverage tool so they can offer new hires more.

They already offered new hires more. Potential new hires aren’t stupid. It’s pretty easy to do the math, a $26k bonus at G7 gives you about $62k the first year and then $38k the second which means $100k over 2 years, or you can go to Endeavor and make $60k 1st year and $50k second year, so after 2 years ($110k)you are $10k ahead of GoJet, and the money has been taxed at a lower rate. Then you upgrade to $90 hr, have a better contract, and a Delta interview.

Filling classes was last years problem, this years problem will be keeping pilots in the jets. GoJet has already seen what happens when they let themselves fall behind in pay, it cost them 300% all summer long. It will be interesting to see if they make the same mistake twice. Smart money says they will fail to react again.

when are we looking at 300% i could always use a fat check

My best guess would be July/August, however I wouldn’t be surprised to see it as early as May.

We already have negative FO numbers in DTW.

I’m here to log PIC time. I won’t be voluntarily sitting in the right seat for less than 300%. I’m sure some captains will do it for 150-200 though.

Edit: That is assuming the company fails to do anything to retain the current pilots. History predicts they will fail to act in time.

Summer of course. You should know that. Isn't your motto "fat checks in the summer" and "fat chicks in the winter"?

I thought you were on your way to ENDV ??

Gojet calling me today on day off going down the list. Refuse to work unless you get 200-300%. KNOW YOUR WORTH.

Postponed for a few months.

Gonna finish off my 1000 PIC and collect some 300%. Probably resign in October, would hate to work over the holidays.

I'm excited. You can see the writing on the wall. CA pay will be $225 per hour in the late summer. I'll be blocking off entire weeks to get a cut of the cake.

If you're waiting to leave , to collect your 1000 PIC , what would be the point of then going to 9E?

The money would not be taxed at a lower rate.

$20 an hour, easier commute, better commuter policy, Ability to commute in during your reserve window, Delta interview.

If I had gotten a January class date I would have went, but they are backed up until April now.

If G7 wants to throw another $20 an hour at me, then the other reasons probably won’t justify the loss of seniority, until then it does.

At that point I ask why even bother? April to October will cost you a few hundred numbers on the list, pushing you further to the bottom of captain lines and way down the line for Delta.

Money and qol. The same two things that drive most pilot career decisions.
I will take 3 weeks off between resigning and class date, then be in training over holidays so I get them off. Then I’ll be making $20k extra a year with an easier commute.

It’s still 8 months away anyway. Who knows what kind opportunities will be available by then?

The only thing we know is that G7 has historically been slow to react and the response (new bonuses) is usually quite underwhelming.