Hourly rate increase
02-08-2018 | 01:55 PM
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Hourly rate increase
Was in STL recently for reecurrent and my sim partner went downstairs to take advantage of the new hire dinner at Friday’s ( which by the way somebody probably ruined because now you only get two drinks instead of all you can drink
). He was mingling to all the higher ups and there seems to be a lot of talk about a possible pay increase across the board to stay competitive..... fingers crossed.
). He was mingling to all the higher ups and there seems to be a lot of talk about a possible pay increase across the board to stay competitive..... fingers crossed.
02-08-2018 | 08:19 PM
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Was in STL recently for reecurrent and my sim partner went downstairs to take advantage of the new hire dinner at Friday’s ( which by the way somebody probably ruined because now you only get two drinks instead of all you can drink). He was mingling to all the higher ups and there seems to be a lot of talk about a possible pay increase across the board to stay competitive..... fingers crossed.
). He was mingling to all the higher ups and there seems to be a lot of talk about a possible pay increase across the board to stay competitive..... fingers crossed.It’s clearly eveident from the most recent bid info that a lot of pilots have already left, and many of us know other pilots that are on their way out to other airlines, including other regionals. The time to “talk” about pay increases was in novemeber when the Endeavor TA passed. At this point they are already behind the power curve and talk isn’t going to stop the resignations. They need action, now.
On the other hand...300% coming soon! Haha
02-08-2018 | 10:38 PM
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It is part of their playbook. In 2011 they started talking about a 10% increase a year before the contract was to expire. They wanted to make everyone think that being competitive was important to them and that the contract would be settled quickly and that everyone should stay because they would be getting a big raise soon.
Instead, the contract ended in 2012 and after 4 years we got a 7% increase. That was 1.75% raise for each year of negotiating.
It is much cheaper to talk about a pay increase then to pay a pay increase.
But, of course its a new game now with few pilots out there. Unfortunately, Hulas plays chess while the pilots play checkers.
Instead, the contract ended in 2012 and after 4 years we got a 7% increase. That was 1.75% raise for each year of negotiating.
It is much cheaper to talk about a pay increase then to pay a pay increase.
But, of course its a new game now with few pilots out there. Unfortunately, Hulas plays chess while the pilots play checkers.
02-09-2018 | 06:11 AM
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It is part of their playbook. In 2011 they started talking about a 10% increase a year before the contract was to expire. They wanted to make everyone think that being competitive was important to them and that the contract would be settled quickly and that everyone should stay because they would be getting a big raise soon.
Instead, the contract ended in 2012 and after 4 years we got a 7% increase. That was 1.75% raise for each year of negotiating.
It is much cheaper to talk about a pay increase then to pay a pay increase.
But, of course its a new game now with few pilots out there. Unfortunately, Hulas plays chess while the pilots play checkers.
Instead, the contract ended in 2012 and after 4 years we got a 7% increase. That was 1.75% raise for each year of negotiating.
It is much cheaper to talk about a pay increase then to pay a pay increase.
But, of course its a new game now with few pilots out there. Unfortunately, Hulas plays chess while the pilots play checkers.
Yeah I agree, but like you said it’s a completely different game these days. I don’t see a small pay increase as being unreasonable. From what I heard it’s some sort of leverage tool so they can offer new hires more.
02-09-2018 | 09:12 AM
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Filling classes was last years problem, this years problem will be keeping pilots in the jets. GoJet has already seen what happens when they let themselves fall behind in pay, it cost them 300% all summer long. It will be interesting to see if they make the same mistake twice. Smart money says they will fail to react again.
02-09-2018 | 12:51 PM
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My best guess would be July/August, however I wouldn’t be surprised to see it as early as May.
We already have negative FO numbers in DTW.
I’m here to log PIC time. I won’t be voluntarily sitting in the right seat for less than 300%. I’m sure some captains will do it for 150-200 though.
Edit: That is assuming the company fails to do anything to retain the current pilots. History predicts they will fail to act in time.
We already have negative FO numbers in DTW.
I’m here to log PIC time. I won’t be voluntarily sitting in the right seat for less than 300%. I’m sure some captains will do it for 150-200 though.
Edit: That is assuming the company fails to do anything to retain the current pilots. History predicts they will fail to act in time.
02-09-2018 | 05:04 PM
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My best guess would be July/August, however I wouldn’t be surprised to see it as early as May.
We already have negative FO numbers in DTW.
I’m here to log PIC time. I won’t be voluntarily sitting in the right seat for less than 300%. I’m sure some captains will do it for 150-200 though.
Edit: That is assuming the company fails to do anything to retain the current pilots. History predicts they will fail to act in time.
We already have negative FO numbers in DTW.
I’m here to log PIC time. I won’t be voluntarily sitting in the right seat for less than 300%. I’m sure some captains will do it for 150-200 though.
Edit: That is assuming the company fails to do anything to retain the current pilots. History predicts they will fail to act in time.
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