GoJet to fly CRJ 550’s
 

Looks like this is the answer to United’s problem of having too many 70 seat aircraft. Good news for GoJet.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual-capacity/united-to-add-premium-seats-on-regional-and-mainline-jets-idUSKCN1PV0BF

Looks like 50 reconfigured CRJ 700s. 25 that we'll have by summer 2019, another 25, probably from Mesa by end of 2020. Speculation and what I can gather from most of the articles is that Denver will eventually close and then we will open Newark as a base as not to compete with skywest 200s and TransStates 145s in Denver. United states the flying will start in Chicago and then Newark. All part of United reconfiguring there A319, A320, and 767 and now the 700 so they can stay within there scope due to the ExpressJet 175 deal.

Mesa only has 20 700s and they are buying 10 of them from the lessor.

25 from Mesa?

A) we have 20
B) we own 10 of them

Here's what we all just found out
 

Here's what we all just found out.

Feb 6, 2019 Special Call in Take-Aways:

- GoJet Airlines signed a Letter of Intent with United; 10 year contract, 50 CRJ-550’s.
- 18 feet longer than any other 50-seater, adds WiFi, Snack/Beverage station (self-serve for First Class).
- Only for United flying / No Delta.
- “Will need to add a lot of pilots to the team”
- Only 1 Flight Attendant
- ORD, EWR, possibly DEN and New York in future
- Expect 47-48 lines of flying with 2-3 spares (TBD).
- Bombardier considers it a “CL-65” – no new type rating for pilots, but expect differences training similar to when they added the CRJ-900
- Union negotiations started yesterday discussing pay regarding 50-seater
- Over ½ our current First Officers are already eligible to upgrade to Captain and they need those to be willing to do so…
- Still doing Direct Entry Captain program, but would love not to (i.e. FO’s need to upgrade internally)
- Starting a new “Near Entry Captain” program next week to entice other company F.O.’s to a quick upgrade at GoJet Airlines
- As United adds the E-175 to ExpressJet, they must ground a CRJ-700… hence GoJet grounds a 700 at 1-for-1 pace to the E-175 addition at ExpressJet, and expects to add the CRJ-550 at the same pace or possibly even quicker.
- Actively working toward a United Flow / Pathway Program / CPP…
- Expect Mid-June is the earliest for first CRJ-550. Mid-summer likely.
- Captain Bonuses? – Will look at readdressing them, however acknowledges GoJet Airlines is a stepping stone and cannot compete with the mainline “dreams” and most pilots are not targeting GoJet as their final resting place, hence with limited funds are only looking to compete well on pay scale. Says we compete well with SkyWest and Republic and honestly with those limited funds, can’t afford to pay extra bonuses. But will re-address.

So help me understand this. Are these gonna be factory new aircraft? Or is Bombardier converting existing 700’s to 550’s?


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What does no delta mean? No more Delta flying? Or no 550’s for DL. And where are the other 25 aircraft coming from? (Your DL 700’s? Not a lot of used 700’S on the market)

Are these new frames? Or just conversions? This whole thing is just so weird...

used. no way bombardier builds you a brand new plane by the "second half of 2019"

Who owns the 22 -700’s GoJet’s flys for DL?

Delta owns them.

Out of curiosity, what's the 50 seat payrates at GoJet?

Apparently they have to negotiate them...

One FA for 2 class service? Yuck


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It’s self serve!!!😂

Sweet. So they will have the little key fob that you get at those self serve beer taps? [emoji1787]


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1 flight attendant, first class self serves. It's not a new airplane. They will be reconfigured 700s with the same type rating. Gojet plans to do a transition course like when we got the 900s. They will only be for United out of ORD and EWR. The Denver base will most likely close as the new planes come online. Dont k ow where the extra 25 will come from but gojet cant even staff the planes they have now. Good luck lol.

Now we know how United is giving Skywest all that new ERJ-175 flying. United has hated the 700s for a long time. They have become biased towards planes that carry both passengers and their carryon bags.

This is really how United is giving ExpressJet flying.

^^^^^^^^^^

so is this just a crj 700 with 50 seats basically?

Yes it is.......

10 first class, 20 economy plus, 20 economy. One FA. A self-serve drink and snack station. No galley. Somehow, carryon bags do not need to be checked gateside and placed in the belly of the aircraft - so some improved overhead bin (or luggage) capability.

I think it is a new aircraft based on the CRJ 700 airframe. I don’t think they are retrofitting old 700’s just using the 700 airframe design and revamping the seating and galley configurations

https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.bca-20180206-bombardier-launches-new-innovative-50-seater-aircra.bombardiercom.html

If anyone remembers the CRJ440, those were later converted to CRJ200s by changing the interior layout. The CRJ705s Jazz were recently changed to CRJ900s by changing the interior and some paperwork.

It is pretty clear that they are converting 50 airframes in the announcement. They will be considered new aircraft after the recertification (but they start with a used airframe).

So are the pilots taking a pay cut to fly this thing? You think they’re gonna pay 70-seat rates to fly a 50-seater?

It will be a pay cut......

Or their union could hold firm on the fact that this is a 70 seat airplane operationally speaking and not give up anything on rates. No reason to take a pay cut just cause they pull 20 seats out of your current airplane your flying.

Let’s be real, they’re Teamsters so that’s not going to happen 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your union needs to be careful here. Taking a paycut is a dangerous precedent. United pilots don't get less for flying the 110 seat PS configured 757.

While I agree caution should be taken, a lot of regional pay scales are based on seat counts, not specific aircraft models like mainline carriers. Just FWIW.

FWIW, SkyWest still gets paid CRJ900 rates and E175 rates for flying the CRJ900 atmospheres (70 seats) and E175SCs (70 seats).

Don’t take the pay cuts. It’s a 700 with less seats and should be paid accordingly.

This isn’t a 50-seat aircraft though, I don’t care what anyone says. If the union lets the company get away with paying 50-seat rates for this plane, that is a HUGE concession, which is setting precedent for other pilots to get ****ed over.

I agree wholeheartedly, however, their management disagrees since they are going into pay scale negotiations.

This is G7 we're talking about, so you can only expect them to demand and stand up for so much:confused:...I agree, it should be flown at 70 seat rates (or higher).

Also, there seems to be some confusion: The Bombardier press release is written in a way that suggests these are factory new aircraft and some are suggesting that current G7 CRJ-700s will be retrofitted with this new cabin and will be re certified as a CRJ-550. Is G7 getting any factory new aircraft or is it retrofitting current -700s or both?

If G7 loses the Delta flying this year (not rooting for that, just making a statement) that will help with the staffing of the CRJ-550 in the UAL system.

Didn't want a different pay scale for the 900s and now want another one for the 50 seaters? I hope Teamsters puts their feet down. It's the same freaking airplane.

The planes are being retrofitted I believe.

Yes, they are. They are taking 25 of the United GoJet 700 planes, and 25 700’s from some “other 121 carrier”