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tonsterboy5 11-03-2021 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Claxstarr (Post 3317921)
AW also has a single type fleet.
OO has to have instructors for 2 types, and then within the CRJ, there is an additional 700-900 training event that has to happen.
LCA groups have to exist for CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 & ERJ175.
This means there are more training events and more line checks in order to fly the line than a company like AW.

It’s simply not an apples to apples comparison.

this is true that it takes more, the thing is airline pilots can only fly one thing at a time. The amount of resources is the same to take a person from zero to hero regardless of number of fleets. The only thing that takes a little more resources is when someone upgrades into a new fleet, this take more sim time and ground school, but OE is the same regardless. Also Skywest has sim slots that go completely un-used right now while other companies have zero sim availability. Everyone else is hitting a wall with sim availability cause Skywest bought it all with no ability to use it all (smart move)

Claxstarr 11-03-2021 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3318026)
this is true that it takes more, the thing is airline pilots can only fly one thing at a time. The amount of resources is the same to take a person from zero to hero regardless of number of fleets. The only thing that takes a little more resources is when someone upgrades into a new fleet, this take more sim time and ground school, but OE is the same regardless. Also Skywest has sim slots that go completely un-used right now while other companies have zero sim availability. Everyone else is hitting a wall with sim availability cause Skywest bought it all with no ability to use it all (smart move)


I don’t know where you’re getting this information from, but it is 100%, without a doubt, incorrect.

ZeroTT 11-05-2021 04:30 PM

121 Pilots aren’t interchangeable parts even in a single type airline. Both line check airmen and captains are a critical resource that can’t be renewed quickly. captains take about 18 months to grow minimum


If, as cited, air Wisconsin is losing 10% of the list monthly, they will lose all their captains in 10 months. Assuming they upgrade everyone on property that’s left and backfill with fo’s it will be 8 months before they can start a trickle of captain production again.

game over. None of these mass hire rates are remotely sustainable for attrition

RabidW0mbat 11-06-2021 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3319068)
121 Pilots aren’t interchangeable parts even in a single type airline. Both line check airmen and captains are a critical resource that can’t be renewed quickly. captains take about 18 months to grow minimum


If, as cited, air Wisconsin is losing 10% of the list monthly, they will lose all their captains in 10 months. Assuming they upgrade everyone on property that’s left and backfill with fo’s it will be 8 months before they can start a trickle of captain production again.

game over. None of these mass hire rates are remotely sustainable for attrition

maybe some sort of acquisition / consolidation is in the cards? (Pure speculation on my part.)

pangolin 11-07-2021 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by V4LKYR1ExONE (Post 3316774)
According to 121.439, landing currency can be reestablished under the supervision of a check airman, and this can be accomplished in the airplane or sim. My understanding is no, you don’t need to be current to start IOE.

https://rgl.faa.gov/regulatory_and_g...lookup/121.439

I reserve the right to be mistaken in my interpretation of regs at any time. ;)

there are issues with consolidation in time

ZeroTT 11-07-2021 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3319270)
maybe some sort of acquisition / consolidation is in the cards? (Pure speculation on my part.)

nobody wants crj200’s in a pilot shortage

RabidW0mbat 11-08-2021 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3319968)
nobody wants crj200’s in a pilot shortage

true, it’s not the planes I was referring to, but the pilots.

ninerdriver 11-08-2021 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3320102)
true, it’s not the planes I was referring to, but the pilots.

Shut an airline down, and the pilots will end up getting acquired eventually.

amcnd 11-08-2021 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3320119)
Shut an airline down, and the pilots will end up getting acquired eventually.


in 10 years they would be Captains at a Major or LLC. Just looks at past history when this has happened… A solid good regional only prolongs your stay there…

FlyGuy2021 11-08-2021 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3320125)
in 10 years they would be Captains at a Major or LLC. Just looks at past history when this has happened… A solid good regional only prolongs your stay there…

More than likely, when places like GoJet get shut down, the majority of the pilots end up at the bottom of the seniority list at another regional. Hate to say it, but it is a contract carrier and not a wholly-owned regional.


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