Furloughs
 

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Why is your title furloughs? Are you saying they have started, or?

There's been literally nothing to suggest that furloughs are currently happening. They're waiting to hear more just like everyone else. Why are you here trying to induce panic?

Pretty weak...not helpful

Heard from an outside source, it did seem pretty weak....just anything gets you wondering these days

The memo that was just sent out did not suggest furloughs?

What did the memo state? Thanks. CPZ guy hoping for the DEC when classes start again.

It told what everyone else is saying. We are burning through cash and we don't know when the CARES Act is going to get through to management. And yes they told us how overstaffed we are just like everyone else and that if we didn't get the money then furloughs would be needed. But if you have seen it then you know it doesn't say that furloughs are currently happening. Possible? Of course but with the restrictions being released for companies taking 100 million or less G7 is getting that money and this becomes October's problems.

I believe this is the very definition of a troll...

https://ravencareers.com/wp-content/.../GoJet-PDF.pdf

This totally is a furlough expectation to the objective eye.

exactly. Anybody who thinks otherwise is not dealing in reality.

If GoJet is managed the same way Compass and Trans States were at the end,you’ll probably get a very somber letter from RL soon too.

Wow, I would say the overall feeling of that memo is bleak at best. The number that jumped out at me is the overstaffed by 70%+ remark. That’s a crazy high number...

Things are constantly changing. Yeah 70% overstaffed is a huge number but the people saying that means that 70% are getting furloughed are incorrect. 70% overstaffed leaves 350 is pilots of the 600 on property. This memo also came out before it was announced those borrowing less than 100 million wouldn't need to give warrants associated with loans. Yeah RL doesn't come off as optimistic in the memo but its been complete radio silence since the announcement. Nothing good nothing bad just cricekts. We are all waiting like everyone else.

dont worry they will be at the next FAPA virtual career fair

https://fapa.aero/pilot_job_fairs.asp

Mr. K doesn't let a dollar flow through his fingers without a fight, and it has never mattered to him if the dollar belonged to him or someone else.

The problem currently is confusion about whether he will get the money if he furloughs and therefore he has not furloughed. I believe he will soon find that he can still take the money even if he furloughs and so he will furlough.

Sounds like this whole CARES act is VERY disorganized.

First off, how did a company memo end up on the public internet? NVM. Second, the CARES Act says you need to keep 90% of your staff. There's still wiggle room to furlough. I don't see how we don't furlough, but what do I know. Know one knows but management and they are being real tight lipped about it. So what good does speculation do?

I would also suspect that no airline wants to furlough people and then need to turn around and bring them back a short time later. I think by now, we all know this will be a slow recovery, but furloughing half of your pilots while the government is talking about opening back up would be a mistake. They have no idea what will happen once they open back up, hence the hesitation to furlough.

Give management a chance to navigate through this, new territory for everyone. Can speculate all we want but need the company to do what it takes to stay in business or furlough question is just academic.

Are we still talking about GoJet MGT ?! 😆

Anybody heard if we ever got the bailout money?

Nothing has been said.

Although I find it interesting to read, I’d be very cautious about posting company internal correspondence on a public forum.

It’s a Federal gubbinment operation so keep your expectations low and your hopes high.

Yeah. I agree. There could be some top secret KGB Schitt in there.

The rumor around the Willis Tower is that United is planning to follow in Delta's footsteps and cut down on the number of regional carriers and Gojet is one of the ones not likely to make the cut. However the 550s may be getting recertified for higher weights for flights to Aspen from east coast cities (NY, Boston, Newark, Phili, DC). They are also talking using them in "surgical markets" which sounded like San Jose (silicon valley) to Austin, Boise, Raleigh,Salt Lake, Denver etc. I imagine they would take pilots with the planes as nobody else has a 550 program.


I guess they are looking at everything now but major regional cutbacks are coming both regional and mainline.

550s recertification for higher weight? So turning them back into 700s?

GoJet can’t even do Cat II, do you really think they are going to do ASE flying?

GoJet already tried to get Aspen certified and were denied by the FAA..

Yeah there’s no way the FAA would let Gojet fly into Aspen this time either.

I’d look for them to go to SkyWest in exchange for removing some 200’s. GoJet and TSH were already on the rocks. With Compass and a Trans States closing I don’t know how they can survive this.

Any idea who else won't make the cut?

I'v also heard the strategy on the 550s is to move to very high yield markets like Aspen and the Silicon Valley. United wants it to be the "Silicon Valley Corporate Jet" connecting the high tech hubs. Silicon Valley also want to be able to put high tech people in a lower cost place and use the flights to shuttle people to the Valley when needed. They can pay less if it doesn't cost a million dollars for a small house. The planes are going to Skywest.

In my idealistic little mind the Captain who leads the ship into battle is either the last man off or he goes down with the ship. My experience in the corporate world has been that the Captain know the battle is going to be lost before the rest of the sailors and is off to a better deal right before the rest of the ship realizes that the ship is sinking.

The company lawyer is off to work for Prime The chief pilot is off to Atlas. Compass is gone. TSH is gone. The Delta flying is gone. The American flying is gone.

You would think that I would be smart enough to have put out my apps knowing all this months ago, but no. Now the virus. I wonder if Hulas would hire me to clean his pool or mow his lawn?

What makes you think the planes are going to skywest? I haven't heard anything like that anywhere and then today that just became the juicy rumor.

Or, GoJet is bought by United so they can put the money behind the 550 program without worrying about it folding. That would also put pressure on places like SkyWest. The majors can't let one regional get too big if you catch my drift. Buying GoJet would be super cheap and easy. Probably a straight cash exchange for the planes and pilots. No messy merger which would be way more expensive and time consuming. SkyWest or whoever doesn't want to play ball, the flying goes to the wholly owned.

Then, as Kirby at United has already said, the 200s and 145s are done by the end of the year. This obviously wouldn't bode well for places like ExpressJet or Air Wisconsin and whoever else has that flying. Whoever has 170s and 175s keeps them or gets more, IE SkyWest. Then I'd imagine the next step would be, at United, to work on either getting scope relief and/or pay concessions from mainline pilots. But that's a whole other discussion.

But frankly conjecture and speculation are just that. No one knows. Not me or your buddy who heard from a guy who works in the hangar who kid plays on Kirby's kid's t-ball team.

Bwahahahahah yeah.....no

Okay. Why?

Because United and every other legacy is in survival mode and the only focus is slowing the cash burn and trying to live to fight another day. They are not about to buy anything, much less a regional that only operates a few planes so far. Converting 700’s cost money too. Even if they decide to keep the 550’s, wouldn’t it be cheaper to transfer them to an airline like SkyWest or Mesa who already have a CRJ program than to buy an airline? United isn’t looking to preserve companies or jobs, they just want assets operated reliably and at the lowest cost.

For so many reasons...
1. What Itsajob said above
2. UA cannot own 100% of a regional due to the FA contract they have
3. They don't own the 550 airframes
4. 550 will either be a success or a deathtrap for GoJet, it all depends on scope. If there is no relief of scope, that airplane is doomed, to expensive to fly, it's targeted towards business passenger at a time when there are no business passengers flying. And due to scope it has no range, it is a crippled bird right now, however, if UA managed to get relief and they could operate the 550 with a 700 max TOW, then you would almost do coast to coast in it... The passengers would love that airplane...
5. Not that many 550 available now. and no new ones are being manufactured.
6. Probably many more reasons i cannot think of right now,.

Agreed...
UA can’t fully own a regional as a WO. It’s against their contract. UA pilots voted that out a while ago. Its why they couldnt buy XJT out right.

If UA owns 50% or more the have to pay the pilot/fa group as if they were UA and added to the seniority list