It’s a head scratcher for sure. But it’s their call. I just hope that they’re able to justify their decision down the road. My biggest frustration is when people ignore this kind of a reputation and go there anyway it enables them to continue treating people poorly. Sounds like flight attendants have it the worst. And to keep going there enabling that kind of behavior is poor judgment. Remember some of your teammates might not be as lucky

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Just so you guys know, all of the misinformation you hear on this forum is by a very select few who feel they were mistreated in some way. It is all just noise. If you prepare, study and have humility, if you come with a positive and cooperative attitude, you will be just fine. No one at this airline is out to get you. They want you to succeed and get you online. Don't listen to the noise.X45polaris, you posted this on 4/19 and you started working for GoJet on 4/19.

I love how this gentleman is standing up for GoJet on the very day he starting to work there. It will be interesting to see how he feels about GoJet on his LAST day.

Just a shot in the dark here "GojetFires", "LadyJustice" and "MolineCFI" and all the other members of the fan club...did something happen "to you" at Go Jet? or mabye its just your attitude. Thank you all for proving my above point and not realizing it. To all new members of APC: Read the post history of who is posting to decide what size grain (or boulder) of salt to take their advice with.

I cannot speak to what anyone else has said. Also I was a waterski guy. However I can speak to the way TSH and how AXs management was.

First your base chiefs on down were typically good people trying to do their jobs to the best of their abilities. That said, above these people I struggle to find anything good to say. I personally do not believe that management was out to “screw” anyone. However, when those life challenges come up, the management would exercise the option that ONlY benefitted them. They repeatedly demonstrated that they had zero integrity. Especially when it came to safety related issues (that’s a post for another time).

Before anyone says “oh but that’s a different company, we’re talking about gojet”, you should be crystal clear about the relationship of those 2 companies. For starters, they were not only in the same building, but also had the same personnel working on both airlines. Honestly outside of the certificates we were just about the same company. And let’s not forget that everyone’s boss was RL.

I simply say all this so that those looking into the LAST TSH carrier consider their options carefully. Personally I would not fault anyone for going to G7. I get it. But do your homework and understand what you are signing up for. If that is your best fit then I think most pilots genuinely wish you the best. For myself, the time I spent at AX and under holdings was very eye opening.

I don’t know what point you think anyone is proving? If anyone is proving anything it’s you! I don’t work or have never worked for GoJet. But I’ve been in the industry since before GoJets shady inception. I have heard many many stories over a span of at least 15 years regarding GoJet and their management practices. Many from people that have worked there and got out. You discount it as people with a grudge or bad personality traits. But what I really want to know, and I’ve asked a couple of times already, is why are these stories unique to GoJet? I don’t hear of these kinds of things happening at any other regional. Even Mesa seems to have cleaned up somewhat. And I don’t recall ever hearing about creative firing at Mesa. You seem to have a very narrow scope. Maybe try looking at the whole picture

Let's hear about personal encounters from individuals who are currently on property. Seems simple enough.. Bantering about hearsay from others and issues that happened in the past is somewhat unproductive.

Yesterday I posted links to court judgments against GoJet. I figured nobody could argue with those findings. But, it has disappeared? But, there are plenty of judgments out there for everyone to find and see for yourselves. I tried to post some for Skywest and Air Wisconsin but could not find any.

Skywest is getting 49 more planes to fly for American.

Show me an airline that doesn't have a judgment against them and I'll show you a flying unicorn.


https://casetext.com/case/day-v-skywest-airlines-inc
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal...016-12-21.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...Certiorari.pdf

Good try Hav3ATPs but you are on the side of the debate without adequate support by the facts. We are talking about suits for the company's actions against employees, My cases were by employees that were wrongly terminated by TSH/Gojet and the employee sued and WON. Your cases are not:

Day v. Skywest is a passenger suing Skywest, not an employee

Hansen v. Skywest was a employee who sued for sexual harassment. It went to a jury trial and the jury ruled in favor of Skywest.

Hirst v. Skywest. This last case is a group of Flight Attendants who are suing claiming that the method of paying FAs using a block hour system, as all airlines do, resulted in pay below the minimum wage. I remember doing this same calculation as a pilot when I started with Gojet, it was close. Anyway, their case has has been dismissed several times in the pleading stage because they could not identify a single week where their pay divided by hours worked was below the minimum wage. The dismissals were upheld by the appellate court, Hirst petitioned for Supreme Court to heart the case and the SC denied the petition. The case is back at the pleading stage where Hirst is fighting another motion to dismiss.

On the other hand, GoJet was sued by their regional manager Cupp and Cupp was awarded about 350k in damages and atty fees. Sievers sued for termination when he took military leave. Gojet settled on the eve of the trial for an undisclosed amount and paid 170k for his attorney fees. And there are other cases they lost and paid. But TSH/Gojet, or any other company practices employment discrimination, they can still come out ahead When a company fires 5 people who have cancer or other such things that are going to require 200k each in their self insured medical plan and one sues them and it costs them 200k in legal and settlement fees, a company still comes out 800k ahead. GoJet didn't want guys taking military leave that interfered with their schedule, I bet other guard and reservists got the message. Gojet doesn't want people taking FMLA, I bet a lot of people got the message.

The system does not currently punish companies enough to stop the discrimination, the company still comes out ahead. To change companies behavior in the 21st century companies must know that their reputation will be affected by their actions and skilled employees will go elsewhere. If TSH wants to change they are free to change, but as of now they have not.

You need a better hobby man....

^^^^This. Slow day on the ramp^^^^

and yet he’s still right...

About needing a better hobby. True..

Its really no skin off my back if you choose to disregard the warnings and go to GoJet. In fact, I wish you all the best of luck. But it does bother me when I hear that their negative reputation is coming from a select few of jaded former employees. GoJet has been around for approximately 15 years. And it’s always had a bad reputation for employee relations. Seems to be a regular occurrence with them. Was also told that was one of the reasons Delta terminated their contract with them as to distance themselves from GoJet’s reputation? Hearsay, I know. But my point is it’s been going on a long long time. Bad reputations don’t just happen from a few jaded employees fired for just cause! Again, good luck

I took FMLA at GoJet when we had 2nd kid..no problems. Almost every other FO I fly with is military, they all have schedules where they have extensive time away from the airline for military duties. I have never in almost 6 years at GoJet witnessed any of the stuff you and your select few cohorts are talking about. Never had a single issue in training nor anyone I know here. I'm officially calling BS on your entire narritave. There are people at any airline who dont make it thru training, etc etc...but I consistantly fly with the same guys / gals here and none of them have had any of the experiences you are pushing. Get over whatever happened "to you", learn from it and move on.

I agree with this 100% I've been here for 5 years and I would say the same thing. Just show up and do the job and there aren't any issues.

I can’t imagine the time he spent to gather that information to make his case, but the fact he’s basically clowned you around during this back and forth and this is your response, I conclude you’re exactly where you belong.

Semi retired, wealthy living in San Diego and not LA? Yes, things worked out quite nice, Your conclusion is accurate. Assuming the same..

I was referring to the company you work for, not your life after work, but you know that.

My apologies. I understand now. Yes, my own company, things are well, thank you.

We are all sorry that warning people about GoJet is making it harder for you to get your recruiting bonuses. You have been the biggest apologist for Gojet since you got here. It didn't happen to you so it must not happen? Or is it that you are willing to look the other way to make money recruiting? Anyone wanting to warn others about TSH and Gojet must have had problems in training right? Why don't you argue the facts and not attack the messenger?

I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.

This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.

It's a good hobby. I'm currently on day 2 of watching the "Law and Order" marathon, every case in their 20 years on the air.

There are more cases on Law and Order than GoJet has, but for only having 3000 employees they have many more than their share.

In all fairness, referencing an issue from 8 years ago doesn't help your argument. Other guy says he's been there six years with no issues. Maybe things change? Just saying..

I don't think anyone is giving recruiting bonuses currently but keep talking man, you just sound nuts. Its obvious that there are people on this site that have nothing better to do but complain about an airline that they don't work at or never have. Why don't you worry about yourself? I don't think anyone on here is taking any of your rants seriously. 🤡

Never taken a dime of recruiting money, ever. Just balancing out the perspective since its always the same few people on here with an axe to grind. Every airline has them. Just giving my own perspective based on my personal experience here.

That’s not how that works. I don’t work at GoJet, but that is most definitely not how that works.

Me thinks someone failed out of training... :rolleyes:

They have the same people making these decisions with the exception of one lawyer who left after Delta took their planes and went home. Having lost the Delta contract and having problems getting pilots because word is out about about these activities, I would think that TSH has cut back on this type of thing or maybe is not being so blatant about it. But there are new cases, 20-cv-696, filed in Minnesota federal court. The EEOC already ruled against Gojet on this case and now it is federal court. It's a flight attendant case but has a similar MO to what they have done with pilots.

Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?

Again, find a better hobby. You just look obsessed and pathetic. Anyone can look at your post history and see that you are beyond obsessed with trashing this company, you've been doing it for years. Move on man!

Actually, have a few regrets as I'm sure many others do, from getting sucked into the drama on this sight and not going to certain companies only to find out that it was nothing at all like it was portrayed to be. I'm not speaking on behalf of Gojet. It may all be accurate or not and this sight may have helped out a few individuals overtime but with all the personal animosity that gets posted, I would hardly consider it a place for making "more informed decisions" That ship sailed years ago.

It doesn't matter what airlines page you look at, a few posts in and there will be someone going off about the company. And it does nothing but destroy the validity of those who are just trying to convey genuine info.

I like seeing his research and his posts. People have a right to relevant information and pointing to actual filed court cases that have gone to judgment tells people a lot.

In 1987 I was leaving the Air Force and instead of Gojet there was Continental and Eastern both run by Frank Lorenzo. Everyone in the pilot world talked badly about them. I applied to all the majors and the first 2 to offer me jobs were Continental and Eastern in Feb 88. At the interview each told me how badly they needed me right away. I went with another airline. Both Continental and Eastern put me into pools. Continental didn't call for 7 months. Eastern called me 5 days after their strike started. Basically they strung me along to have a pool of pilots available for the strike. I'm glad I had choices and I had not waited for Eastern.

For years I would look at the Wall Street journal every day, they had an index in every edition to see if a company was referenced in an article. Also USAToday, NY Times, etc. I kept an eye on every airline, or airline to be. There was a retired pilot in Los Angeles who put out a weekly or monthly paper on what was happening at every airline, Captain Nichols if memory serves. Gathering information was difficult and time consuming. It is nice to have this forum where people can become informed. There is nothing wrong with seeing varying opinions.

One thing is clear to me, if you want to know if an airline will survive, look at how they treat their employees.

Good post. Bad reputations take a while to get. And even longer to get rid of. Hopefully GoJet has learned and has cleaned up their act? There’s a lot of information out there. Do some research because there are several options available right now. I equate it to reading reviews on something that you’re about to purchase. Hopefully you wouldn’t disregard reviews on a bad product or bad customer service because there hasn’t been a bad review for a few months? Be smart and choose wisely

Your Gojet class doesn’t start for another month.
WTF

Pretty irrelevant statement. And your point is?

Gojet hasn't cleaned up their act....not by a long shot...

His "idea is" you have no clue one way or another since you have no actual experience there.

Pretty sure he is a she. But you knew that..

Does GoJet pay for the airline ticket and hotels required during ATP-CTP and how far in advance did they send those out?

I just got so much secondhand embarrassment reading you DESCRIBE yourself as “wealthy”

Then even worse, defending “Gojet’s legacy”
bro this airline is trash. Uncle hulas doesn’t care about you or any of his little peasant employees. No one in the right mind should come to to this dumpster fire.

source from CPZ experience WITH THE SAME management as G7

If you enjoy flying broken planes that clearly break FARs then come on board

At 60 years old, can't remember when I was last called "Bro" Adorable. Don't be embarrassed. Working to make someone else wealthy may just be your thing. You to are needed.

Now, I never said whether I was going to GoJet or not but you saying "no one should come to the Dumpster Fire" would indicate that you do work there. So, what does that say about you? "Bro"

He clearly said he worked at Compass, not GoJet. Did you actually read what he said? Both airlines had the same management teams, so that experience is relevant. Sick burn though, I guess.

If you don't work there or intend on working there, why do you choose to spend your free time defending GoJet?

Funny how you say he needs a better hobby, but you spend your time being a shill for a company that you have no relationship with? But you're also wealthy and retired? Sure, that sounds convincing.

I'd bet money that you and yd5u are the same person. Friendly feedback: you're not doing a very good job at presenting a coherent narrative.