Not to beat a dead horse, but I need some GoJet info
07-09-2007 | 09:35 AM
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From: Spartan
Just so you all know, I am a fresh out of college student with 214 tt and 51 mt. I have heard nothing from other airlines (altough I have to finish a few other apps) and figure that at least the interview if not the chance at a jet position at a regional would be beneficial especially when I don't have the $$ to really start my CFI course. I am making no decisions today to fly for GoJets and will take your information and that that I get from the interview to heart. Again thanks for the info. and one side note...How are Trans State and GoJets related? GoJets started separately with no union and lower pay to compete against itself?
07-09-2007 | 09:55 AM
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Well, it's HR's show right now...no line pilots involved. Probably won't change anytime soon if at all. Just trying to make a point of not burning bridges to jumpstart a career.
07-09-2007 | 10:38 AM
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you're young, and with those hours looking at least a year and half to upgrade, possibly more. The hiring frenzy is good and strong right now, and competition is fierce (by the company...not us anymore) just trying to fill the seats for a class.
GoJet as was hinted earlier was started by TSA management to get around the American 50 seat (jet) scope clause that TSA was limited by. It's kinda like what you see at Chautauqua/Shuttle/Republic .... as CHQ is only using the <50 seaters. The difference, while the companies are located in the same building, have the same president, and even fly for one of the same codeshares, the pilot seniority lists are separate. As you probably have already learned, seniority is everything in this business, and as a result, guys who jumped to gojet also jumped infront of their fellow pilots for a quick upgrade and larger equipment, and they did so without union representation (not fun) and no contract (less fun) for wages that were barely better than equal to that of TSA (who is operating planes with 14 less seats)...That's why they're "scabs" or just slightly better than them, to many individuals out there. When TSA was furloughing pilots, gojet was hiring them.
I'd say you're going to need more total time to be really competitive...your multi is actually pretty decent, especially considering the current state of the industry...i'd find a couple buddies and go split some hundred dollar hamburger trips, or go do an hour of spins in a 150, just get your total up around the 250+ range, and you might have a little bit better luck. Most regionals know they have reached rock bottom on hiring minimums with 250/ticket...and having less than 250 probably makes them even more nervous, lol.
By the way, you won't have many respect problems if you try gojet's big brother TSA, they're hiring incredibly low time guys right now, upgrading them quickly (still 1.5 for ya at least though) and if you're from STL it works nice. And you get the joy of not having to wear your badge backwards...that's priceless.
GoJet as was hinted earlier was started by TSA management to get around the American 50 seat (jet) scope clause that TSA was limited by. It's kinda like what you see at Chautauqua/Shuttle/Republic .... as CHQ is only using the <50 seaters. The difference, while the companies are located in the same building, have the same president, and even fly for one of the same codeshares, the pilot seniority lists are separate. As you probably have already learned, seniority is everything in this business, and as a result, guys who jumped to gojet also jumped infront of their fellow pilots for a quick upgrade and larger equipment, and they did so without union representation (not fun) and no contract (less fun) for wages that were barely better than equal to that of TSA (who is operating planes with 14 less seats)...That's why they're "scabs" or just slightly better than them, to many individuals out there. When TSA was furloughing pilots, gojet was hiring them.
I'd say you're going to need more total time to be really competitive...your multi is actually pretty decent, especially considering the current state of the industry...i'd find a couple buddies and go split some hundred dollar hamburger trips, or go do an hour of spins in a 150, just get your total up around the 250+ range, and you might have a little bit better luck. Most regionals know they have reached rock bottom on hiring minimums with 250/ticket...and having less than 250 probably makes them even more nervous, lol.
By the way, you won't have many respect problems if you try gojet's big brother TSA, they're hiring incredibly low time guys right now, upgrading them quickly (still 1.5 for ya at least though) and if you're from STL it works nice. And you get the joy of not having to wear your badge backwards...that's priceless.
07-09-2007 | 11:45 AM
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Your not going to hear anything from any decent airline with only 214TT. If your jumping at the first thing that bites then your are making a huge mistake. You have plenty of time to gain some experience and hours....the hiring frenzy is not going anywhere too soon from what I hear. You are only doing yourself a disservice by going to a bottom feeder. You still have the respect of everyone here....don't blow it!!
07-09-2007 | 12:35 PM
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j3gibbon,
This is the most honest answer I can give you...
GoJet's pilots are hated by other pilots. They are hated very much, and many people consider them the next worst things to scabs.
Have you ever taken a gun and just shot yourself in the foot to see what it feels like?? That is essentially what you will be doing if you go fly for GoJet, aka Blow Jets, Gayway, Goaway Jets, etc...
GoJet was created by Trans States. They wanted their pilots to fly 70 seat jets, but Trans States scope clause said they could not fly bigger airplanes unless a pay rate was negotiated. Instead of negotiating, Trans States went around the pilots contract and created GoJet's. They got the jets. People were hired there and "upgraded" out of seniority order over Trans States pilots. Not only were Trans States pilots screwed in that sense, but many were furloughed at this time. Usually this is against US Labor Laws, but somehow Trans States was able to circumvent these laws. That is the story (more or less).
GoJet's pilots are hated by all. Their is no discriminating. Every GoJet pilot is hated equally. Many will not allow you ride on their airplane (in jumpseat or even in back). You had better live in Saint Louis, or within close driving distance. Otherwise, I don't see how you are going to get to work.
If you ever want to go to another airline, you will have a hard time answering, "So why did you fly at GoJet's?" Be ready for people ignoring/not talking to you in future jobs. Only speak when spoken to, and only when absolutely necessary for the safe operation of the flight.
GoJet's only has about 150 pilots. Having that small of a group makes it easy to keep tabs on you. There used to be a list of all GoJet's pilots that was published (to use to deny GoJet's pilots from riding jumpseats), but I can't seem to find it. It was something like gojetpilots.com.
Anyway, there are very good reasons not to go and work for GoJet's. You may be committing career suicide. There are plenty of other regionals out there. They are hiring thousands of pilots this year. They are lowering minimums every single day. You WILL get hired by another carrier soon. Do not take the job at GoJet!!!
But hey, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot (by going to GoJet), let me know how it feels. I sure as hell don't want to try it.
Feel free to ask more questions to fully understand the implications of your choice.
Good luck making the right choice.
Ryan
This is the most honest answer I can give you...
GoJet's pilots are hated by other pilots. They are hated very much, and many people consider them the next worst things to scabs.
Have you ever taken a gun and just shot yourself in the foot to see what it feels like?? That is essentially what you will be doing if you go fly for GoJet, aka Blow Jets, Gayway, Goaway Jets, etc...
GoJet was created by Trans States. They wanted their pilots to fly 70 seat jets, but Trans States scope clause said they could not fly bigger airplanes unless a pay rate was negotiated. Instead of negotiating, Trans States went around the pilots contract and created GoJet's. They got the jets. People were hired there and "upgraded" out of seniority order over Trans States pilots. Not only were Trans States pilots screwed in that sense, but many were furloughed at this time. Usually this is against US Labor Laws, but somehow Trans States was able to circumvent these laws. That is the story (more or less).
GoJet's pilots are hated by all. Their is no discriminating. Every GoJet pilot is hated equally. Many will not allow you ride on their airplane (in jumpseat or even in back). You had better live in Saint Louis, or within close driving distance. Otherwise, I don't see how you are going to get to work.
If you ever want to go to another airline, you will have a hard time answering, "So why did you fly at GoJet's?" Be ready for people ignoring/not talking to you in future jobs. Only speak when spoken to, and only when absolutely necessary for the safe operation of the flight.
GoJet's only has about 150 pilots. Having that small of a group makes it easy to keep tabs on you. There used to be a list of all GoJet's pilots that was published (to use to deny GoJet's pilots from riding jumpseats), but I can't seem to find it. It was something like gojetpilots.com.
Anyway, there are very good reasons not to go and work for GoJet's. You may be committing career suicide. There are plenty of other regionals out there. They are hiring thousands of pilots this year. They are lowering minimums every single day. You WILL get hired by another carrier soon. Do not take the job at GoJet!!!
But hey, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot (by going to GoJet), let me know how it feels. I sure as hell don't want to try it.
Feel free to ask more questions to fully understand the implications of your choice.
Good luck making the right choice.
Ryan
07-09-2007 | 12:49 PM
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From: RC-3 Seabee. Skipper of the A21 cutter.
I don't know much about GoJet but I haven't heard anything good about them. I know that they are a scab carrier which means stay away. I wouldn't recommend going to GoJet.
Just because he wants a job doesn't make him an SJS toolbag. If the same opportunity was open to you with such low time, you'd probably take it too. Most guys at the regionals are just trying to build time anyway so they can get to the majors or brown/purple. Flight instructing would be nice to build time and learn a thing or two but it's not absolutely fatal that he go that route. There's still plenty of opportunity without the CFI. I say go for it (at any place but GoJet), build your time and go on to bigger and better things. Best of luck to the young lad!
Just because he wants a job doesn't make him an SJS toolbag. If the same opportunity was open to you with such low time, you'd probably take it too. Most guys at the regionals are just trying to build time anyway so they can get to the majors or brown/purple. Flight instructing would be nice to build time and learn a thing or two but it's not absolutely fatal that he go that route. There's still plenty of opportunity without the CFI. I say go for it (at any place but GoJet), build your time and go on to bigger and better things. Best of luck to the young lad!
07-09-2007 | 12:54 PM
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Despite what I (and others) would like to believe, GoJet on your resume *will not* permanently harm your career; just ask the GoJet alums at UPS, Delta, Continental, etc.
Having said that, there are a dozen other places you could likely get hired that won't cause your professional colleagues to hate your guts because you fly for an alter-ego airline flying without a contract that was used to severely weaken the negotiating power of an established ALPA carrier.
Rest assured...damn near every other small jet pilot will despise you for working at Hulas' bastard stepchild, and getting a jumpseat on another regional airline will likely be difficult if you commute. If that doesn't faze you...well then by all means, good luck...
Having said that, there are a dozen other places you could likely get hired that won't cause your professional colleagues to hate your guts because you fly for an alter-ego airline flying without a contract that was used to severely weaken the negotiating power of an established ALPA carrier.
Rest assured...damn near every other small jet pilot will despise you for working at Hulas' bastard stepchild, and getting a jumpseat on another regional airline will likely be difficult if you commute. If that doesn't faze you...well then by all means, good luck...
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