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The point is that the don't have a contract...their pilots have to do whatever scheduling tells them in fear of getting fired. If you don't have a union that is willing to back up the contract, in essence, you don't have a contract. They are a weak pilot group. Again, WE TRIED to unite with them. Uniting with them and merging lists do not have to both happen.

Since the GJ pilots are 1) a weak pilot group and 2) have no interest in merging lists (because they would mostly be junior to the TSA crews), the ONLY way to merge lists is a hostile takeover via our contract (yes, there IS a way to do this. it is why TSA ALPA never appealed the original court decision).

How did Mesa integrate Freedom? Not by uniting.

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Originally Posted by minitour (Post 839802)

I thought we were talking about people. You can attempt to justify your remarks if you wish.

-mini

He was talking about Professional Pilots you [...]. Take a deep breath, you might surprise yourself.

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Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 839903)

I am well aware of the beginnings of GoJet and I do agree that THE ORIGINAL cadre of GJ pilots that signed on to bypass TSA's seniority have questionable ethics. Guess what? TSA doesn't exactly have a halo over their heads, ala, American Eagle/Connection when Eagle pilots were furloughed,

Nice try!!!

At the time of the AA/TW merger Eagle was growing rapidly and was unable to cover the STL flying. At least that's what their management claimed :eek:

Trans States and CHQ, who previously flew for TWA, continued the STL operaton flying under the "American Connection" brand.

Once the furloughs began, it was the TWA pilots who suffered the most :(

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Originally Posted by flaps 9 (Post 840650)

Trans States and CHQ, who previously flew for TWA, continued the STL operaton flying under the "American Connection" brand. :(

Kinda like this?

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/0116172.jpg

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Originally Posted by flaps 9 (Post 840650)

Nice try yourself. The fact remains. Ultimately, TSA was doing Eagle flying while Eagle pilots were furloughed....no getting around that.

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Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 840657)

Nice try yourself. The fact remains. Ultimately, TSA was doing Eagle flying while Eagle pilots were furloughed....no getting around that.

Your lack of knowledge on this is making you look stupid. The Eagle flying was given to the American Connection carriers because Eagle couldn't staff it back in the day. TSA got the Miami flying and Eagle realized that was BS so they attempted to get it back. The Eagle pilots did not lose this flying to an alter ego airline. They were not negotiating rates for new equipment while management created a new airline to pay lower wages. The flying was given away and when they wanted it back, they got it. The American Connection flying was not a major issue when TSA pilots were getting hired at TSA, nor was TSA created specifically to steal the flying from Eagle. Hell, the flying goes back to the TWE days. You could make an argument that the flying belonged to TSA before it ever belonged to Eagle. The point is you are making a comparison where no comparison can possibly be made. You stating a fact about TSA pilots doing Eagle flying while their pilots were furloughed completely ignores the situation and tries to appeal to peoples' emotions, not logic. It makes you look bad in the end. Tell the whole story next time.

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Originally Posted by pause (Post 839720)

Um, yea...good luck with that...the flying is not "Trans States flight XXXX"......it's a mainline flight operated by Hulas airlines. Just so you can understand the above statement....It's a mainline flight not Trans (mis)takes, not GoJet's, not Skywests, not Mesa's, not Air Wisconsin's etc... Mainline can/will assign those flights to whomever they choose. I know it's above your pilot group but you should admit you were screwed by your own MEC and ALPA. Most of you are/were drunk on Kool-Aid..now look at ya. Mgt has you under their thumb which is exactly where they want you. But, keep puffing your chest out

Once the flying is dished out for the month from mainline to regional, that flying becomes the regional's flying. Then any stuck flights are their (said regionals) flying. I highly suggest you educate yourself on what struck work is.....start by reading the excellent factual post below...

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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 839771)

This is an incorrect statement that has the potential to cause people trouble when their regional peers strike. When a regional strikes they set up a strike center ( I believe TSA has already begun organizing theirs). When a legal strike is called by the union, the flights which were assigned to that carrier become struck work. For example, if TSA flies 2 flights a day to ORD from STL for united (just an example number) and Republic flies 3 from STL making a total of 5 united departures STL-ORD. TSA calls a legal strike, Republic could continue to fly their original 3 segments but any additional segments on this route would be considered stuck work and any republic pilots flying them would be SCABS. (Just an example airline, no offense to Republic)

This sort of situation is what strike centers are for, if a pilot at another airline notices an unusual trip they can call the striking airline strike center to verify that the unusual segment is NOT struck work.

If you don't think that's how it works, I hope the unions have mercy on your soul because flying additional segments WILL result in you being labeled a SCAB, as it should. If you believe that the flying "doesn't belong to the striking carrier" I warn you that very few union pilots will agree with you.

Hopefully we as pilots can understand that in a collective bargaining environment, if you stab your fellow pilot in the back, you're stabbing yourself in the back too eventually. And for good measure, what goes around comes around. Someone might decide YOU'RE working for too much money too and offer to do it cheaper.

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Originally Posted by NoStep (Post 839575)

)"Zapata" and "Airwillie" appear to be former GoJet types who say they're MD11 and MD80 f/o's now, so it would appear working there is not a career killer. ("AirWillie"...new job flying MD80's...FalconAir during the Spirit strike, maybe?)

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Who is the only MD-80 operator hiring in the last few months? who continually bashed gojetters until it suited him to go there? Things that make you go HMMMMM?

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Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 840657)

Nice try yourself. The fact remains. Ultimately, TSA was doing Eagle flying while Eagle pilots were furloughed....no getting around that.

Get a clue!!!!

I'm begining to wonder who the real troll is :eek:

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Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 840689)

The Eagle flying was given to the American Connection carriers because Eagle couldn't staff it back in the day.

Right, because Eagle had pilots on furlough, so they dished it out to TSA.

Dude, regional airlines are dirtbags. Some more than the others...

If you want to know how furloughed Eagle pilots felt about TSA back in the day, I'll happily refer you to some people who were furloughed while TSA was flying their flying. Might surprise you, but your ALPA "brothers" at Eagle saw you in pretty similar light as you look at GoJet. But let's not talk about that... ;)

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Tell the whole story next time.

Pot... meet kettle. ;)