The Quintessential GoJet Thread
 

Since all of these threads have been closed due to trolls, I was compelled to start this one. On behalf of all that has been genuinely curious about GoJet, please post gouge on interviews, training, QOL, schedules, fleet plans, pay etc.

This is NOT an invitation for the normal mindless bashing of GoJet. If you want to bash GJ, start your own thread. This one is for gouge only.

Moderators, I ask you to delete posts that are off of this specific topic.

Gouge Only? Then this should be moved to this subgroup:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/pre-interview/

This area is for rumors only. Ok... an occasional fact is allowed.

FACT: GoJet was created to circumvent the collective bargaining process.
FACT: GoJet was initially staffed by pilots who agreed to this circumvention.

Quintessentially
 

Definition of Quintessential : the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.

Quintessentially, GoJet is an alter-ego airline created to circumvent the RLA and undermine the bargaining position of the unionized Trans States pilot group.

winglet

Fact: When Trans State Airlines is finally released, the flying will be transfered to Gojet and you will be forced to cross a legal strike line and forever be labeled a SCAB or you will be fired for your morals.

Zapata, why even try and open a thread like this? You know there is tons of hate towards GoJet and what they did. Did you expect everyone to be like "oh ok, no worries. lets not say anything negative"

Makes me wonder what is going on in your mind to think such a fantasy could exist. Also, it is not the Mods job to delete all posts that dont relate to GoJet gouge info.

To make a point. Thus far, it is only trolls that have posted....namely you, winglet and blueskies.....so far

When the thread is about gouge only, damn right it is the job of the mods to limit a thread to only gouge.

Nope. If you read the original post again, the topic is not only about interviews. Next?

I never got this memo in my moderator training.


What I will do is close the entire thread down if it gets filled with flamebait or gets wildly off topic.

As a future note: Moderators DO NOT delete posts that are off topic. We delete posts that violate this sites TOS.

I did read it.. and then I read the description under the link I post and thought they matched up well..

As far as the rest of your nifty bold writing... There is a section of airline profiles that covers: fleet, pay, work rules, etc.

It so funny when random people sign up for a website and then tell the website how to be operated.

I didn't realize I was a Troll, but hey, I guess now you owe me a toll for the bridge... so that's good supplimentary income for flying...

If I see your Gojet thread I'm most likely going to post on it, I think guys going there should at least hear the situation of it's creation and how a large portion of guys feel about their potential employer. I think that's actually a key part of the GOUGE. I'd hate for a guy to go to Gojet and then after he's working there say... "oh crap these guys are generally disrespected by their peers?" If someone knows what Gojet is and how they are regarded and they choose to go there, there's obviously nothing I can do to stop them. No matter how BAD a decision I might think it is, but I believe people should have all the facts first.

If you saw the thread of the one Falcon FO who crossed Spirit Airlines legally called strike line, to become one of two Strike Line Cross and Breakers (SCAB) You will see he claims to have been completely ignorant of the situation, and yet it will most likely prevent him from ever being hired at a us union air carrier. If someone had made him aware then maybe he wouldn't have crossed. Or maybe he would have, but at least then it would have been 100% by choice.

I believe people need all the information possible to make their career decisions.

I am curious though, your status says MD 11 FO.. what interest do you have in the continued promotion of Gojet? Maybe you wouldn't be so happy about alter ego's if your carrier (Ups? Fedex?) started another airline to pay guys less to fly your cargo......

Now since I'm a troll, where's my money for crossing the bridge?

This thread is off to a great start! HAHA! Trying to get good info from a blow jet thread on an internet board it like trying to lose weight by eating nothing but big macs!

Quintessentially Speaking
 

self-justification
Making excuses for oneself or one's behavior.

rationalization
To attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives.

winglet

Im so glad you started this thread, it is a place for "trolls" like others and me to gather.

i enjoy reading these threads more than any. lol!

We can't always depend on management to do so, but ultimately it is up to the profession to re-assert professionalism. Keep that in mind when you post.

I bet 5 bucks on this thread being closed within next 2 weeks

How are they trolls? They are giving factual info on the company. Doesn't sound like a troll to me.

2 weeks? How about 2 days! :)

Just a few thoughts;

)SCAB is an acronym for Still Collecting All Benefits-in reference to strike breakers collecting all the same benefits fought for by strikers. They risk nothing and gain everything, (except respect, integrity, etc.)

)"Zapata" and "Airwillie" appear to be former GoJet types who say they're MD11 and MD80 f/o's now, so it would appear working there is not a career killer. ("AirWillie"...new job flying MD80's...FalconAir during the Spirit strike, maybe?)

)Most major guys have no idea who GoJet is or care about life at the regional/out-sourced-contract carriers. Sad, but true!

)Where's the "White Paper" from the TSA guys? We're already on the 2nd page, and nobody's posted it yet?

)It seems GoJet and Colgan have replaced Mesa as everyone's favorite whipping boy. It takes 2 carriers to replace Mesa's anmity...never underestimate J.O.

That's all...I'm betting 1 more page before thread closing!

FACT: Bears eat beets...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MfEUzep_GR...m-dwight_l.jpg

Bears

Beets




...Battlestar galactica.

I'm just trying to give everyone something to chuckle about. Seems like so many are so angry.

-mini

GoJet is a typical Hulas operation.

Horrible maintenance, horrible management and horrible schedules (unless you are in the top 5%)
Fact: The first pilots to go over to GoJet were "Stellar" Trans States pilots. The same goes for G7 mgt. Trans States guys like to think they are somehow Gods gift to aviation & that they "deserve" this that & the other just because they work at TSA. Well, TSA is a scumbag outfit just like GoJet & now soon to follow will be Compass. Hulas is cheap. I mean the guy won't even buy coffee for his employees in the St. Louis training center. The employees have to have a "coffee kitty" so they can enjoy coffee during the day. Any place that is owned by Hulas is a horrible place to work but it IS a job. I personally would never go back. The maintenance, or lack there of is enough to keep me away. If you need a job go for it. I worked there for over 4 years. I jumped all over the country all of the time and never had a problem. It's a job but you will work for a horrible man who would run over his own mother for a shiny penny.

Hulas = Mr. Crabs

Fact: 95% of regional guys are fully versed in the creation and operation of Gojet.
Fact: 95% of Regional guys will replace mainline pilots.
Fact: 95% of Gojetters hide their I'd cards
Fact: 95% of Gojetters will tell you they work for United Express.
Fact: If TSA gets released and you want to keep your job at Gojet you will be a fully pledged SCAB.

If TSA strikes, would the Teamsters MEC at GoJet say 'no' to struck ALPA work?

HAHAH! awesome!

I'm thinking he would.

Scabbing isn't easy to hide these days with us kids and the internet....and 4chan.

1. Best threadjack ever.

2. I would also like to be recognized as a troll.

3. TSA is not a "scumbag" operation. Operated by scumbags yes, but one d-mn fine pilot group.

4. Once TSA is released and GoJets starts flyin TSA struck work, they still wont consider themselves scabs. They justify all the harm theyve done.

Awful lot of assumption around here about what may or may not ever happen.

Those of you who think you know everything really annoy those of us who do, m'kay?

-mini

Um, yea...good luck with that...the flying is not "Trans States flight XXXX"......it's a mainline flight operated by Hulas airlines. Just so you can understand the above statement....It's a mainline flight not Trans (mis)takes, not GoJet's, not Skywests, not Mesa's, not Air Wisconsin's etc... Mainline can/will assign those flights to whomever they choose. I know it's above your pilot group but you should admit you were screwed by your own MEC and ALPA. Most of you are/were drunk on Kool-Aid..now look at ya. Mgt has you under their thumb which is exactly where they want you. But, keep puffing your chest out

Sign me up for the Troll boat as well.

As more regional pilots make it to mainline they will remember who Go Jet is and begin to educate the older mainline pilots about them.

Zapita,
I'm curious how you would feel if your company outsourced some or all of your MD-11 flying to an organization flying CRJ900's for half your current pay. What effect do you think that would have on your quality of life?, and would they be fully justified doing the job at that rate just so they could gain experience and move on?

You realize this whole argument makes no sense? If what you are saying is true, then there is absolutely no point in having a union. If the flying isn't "ours" then we have no leverage, thus management has ZERO reason to EVER give us anything we want no matter how small(TSA is just lookin to be average). There is nothing stoping Uncle Hulie from doing this everytime a contract becomes amendable. Why give in to simple demands when he can just transfer the flying to a new airline everytime? What I can't figure out is, why GoJets always uses this argument..."well its not your flyin anyway"...Apparently GoJets likes being on the opposite end of the whipsaw. And for the last time, stop blaming our MEC. Thats old.

Oh...and you don't think mgmt has Gojets under their thumb as well? Muahahahah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYYTLJ8YHi4 HK wrote this for G7

The Teamsters are GJ ARE management. If one of their pilots told scheduling that they will not fly the TSA struck flight, they will be fired. Good luck to any of them who look to their "Union" for help.

Ask that to the 3 line pilots who ran for union positions and got fired.

"It's ok! We're union now!" Yeah, right....

Pause...really? Are you really rationalizing crossing a picket line already? TSA hasn't even been released yet. TSA ALPA knows exactly which flights are on their schedule every month. If you fly one of these flights, you will be a SCAB, period.

Lets all settle down and take a deep breath.

As we can see above, Zapata in his wisdom has only ordained three of us as trolls. Until the Great Zapata names you one you are all just "wannabes."Sorry guys :p

This is an incorrect statement that has the potential to cause people trouble when their regional peers strike. When a regional strikes they set up a strike center ( I believe TSA has already begun organizing theirs). When a legal strike is called by the union, the flights which were assigned to that carrier become struck work. For example, if TSA flies 2 flights a day to ORD from STL for united (just an example number) and Republic flies 3 from STL making a total of 5 united departures STL-ORD. TSA calls a legal strike, Republic could continue to fly their original 3 segments but any additional segments on this route would be considered stuck work and any republic pilots flying them would be SCABS. (Just an example airline, no offense to Republic)

This sort of situation is what strike centers are for, if a pilot at another airline notices an unusual trip they can call the striking airline strike center to verify that the unusual segment is NOT struck work.

If you don't think that's how it works, I hope the unions have mercy on your soul because flying additional segments WILL result in you being labeled a SCAB, as it should. If you believe that the flying "doesn't belong to the striking carrier" I warn you that very few union pilots will agree with you.

Hopefully we as pilots can understand that in a collective bargaining environment, if you stab your fellow pilot in the back, you're stabbing yourself in the back too eventually. And for good measure, what goes around comes around. Someone might decide YOU'RE working for too much money too and offer to do it cheaper.

Um, hey tough guy (sarcasm) I don't work there anymore..Oh, thank God. The mighty TSA ALPO is on the scene. Oh, and please...go ahead and STRIKE!!! Please!!! I know ALPO will ride in the save your day!! Pffft

Don't flatter yourself...I meant the general "you", not you in particular.

I'm not being a tough guy, I'm informing prospective GJ pilots that they will be forced to choose their job or scabbing if TSA strikes. Whether you are a union guy or not, I think we can all agree that crossing a picket line is reserved for the lowest of the low.

Really?

Rapists, child molesters, even guys that cheat on their wives....or people who wear popped collars (STOP!!!).

No but seriously. Anyone that could rape (anyone), murder (anyone) or hurt a child is far worse than someone going in to do their job...whether it screws you or not.

You need some better priorities.

-mini

I mean, how do I even respond to that?

Next time don't speak in such absolutes.

I understand what you were saying and getting at, but "lowest of the low"? There are far worse out there than someone crossing a line. I think we can all agree on that. At least most reasonable humans would be able to.

Maybe find a different way to describe them? Just a suggestion.

-mini

We're talking about pilots, not criminals.

In our world there are many actions that could be looked down upon. For example, picking up open time with pilots on furlough, waiving certain contract protections, or flying for certain companies. However, in our world, those who scab are the lowest of the low. Of all the moral choices that a pilot has to make, choosing to scab is the worst.

We were talking about a specific group of people, not everyone from Jeffery Dahmer to Jesus.