Gojet dilemma
 

Pilot with 4 years at regional with no pic with a chance to go to gojet as pic. Otherwise 5 years to upgrade at other regionals. Wwyd?

This is going to be interesting....getting my popcorn.

Go for it, i am thinking about it also

So you got the job?

Alot can happen in five years.

I'd go. You're at Chautauqua, can't be any worse than we have it here...

yeah five may turn to 10 years or never. See COmair, Republic!

Is go jet officially hiring street CA's? How do they not have qualified guys?

Cheaper to start a street Captain at year 1 then upgrade an FO to Captain pay with 2-3 years on property, and then have to hire the FO's replacement.

The fact that they are having a difficult time getting qualified people on property should tell you a lot about the above named airline. Just my .02 from across the hall.

Yeah, but those of us flying turboprops aren't getting jobs due to lack of "jet time". BS but it's true.

even going to GoJet as an FO. If you have the time ungrade is at a year and with the new Delta flying, may be even shorter.

It's thinking like this that has created the race to the bottom... "I just want to get in, get my 1,000 PIC and get out!"

Just don't come looking for a ride on my jumpseat...

+1........

What about a Great Lakes pilot? CommutAir?

Whelp...in before the lock. Can't believe it's stayed this clean thus far...Trans States pilots must've all taken a hiatus from APC!

Maybe people are over it? All regionals suck in the end. I don't fly for them, but know a few that do. I always did think it was kind of ironic how a United mainline furloughee wouldn't catch any flak if he/she went there, but everyone else did. Just my .02

I hate to admit it, but I'm thinking about applying there too. I'm 33 numbers away from holding CA at XJT but I think GoJet has a brighter future.

This is starting to make me sick...

for the record...i still believe all GJ pilots suck. its just a tiresome argument that nobody else gives a sh!t about anyway. i can ramble on about why they suck, but those who choose to go there will justify themselves however they choose to. rather unfortunate...

Hiring street captains, if they are, while having qualified FO's on property would say a lot about their CBA and what the company thinks about their employees. Keep in mind, outsourced flying will continue grow as long theres someone ready and willing to work for less. You may have good intentions for working there, "to get the time and get out", but we're getting to the point when we're getting the time, but can't get out, because regionals keep growing while mainline shrinks.

There is always that.........but before anyone makes the jump think about the Delta Connection system. Delta has stated many times the want to REDUCE the number of DCI carriers. How many companies have flown for Delta using Delta owned planes and lost that flying?? Most have other flying displaced pilots could do. Gojets doesnt own the planes and doesnt have the contracts to place pilots if the Delta flying goes away. Just something to think about.

Good luck to anyone that thinks Gojets is a good option.

Things to consider.

Pros:

GoJet is growing at the moment, that can always change.
Upgrade mins are more than likely going to be dropped a few hundred hrs, so they can happen internally, at least at first.
The company doesn't have the staffing for another 12 aircraft at the moment. Mass hiring to come starting next month....160-200 pilots are the numbers I heard.
United guys and gals should be departing soon. Even more movement.
Talk of dtw base.

Cons:

Apc cruisers will say they hate you, Which is laughable.
It's a regional airline, and the employee group is treated as such.
Can't Jumpseat on Mesaba. They're pretty much the only ones. No agreement is in line between the two. With delta flying, something tells me that will change.

Cant jumpseat on anyone really.

You may want to think good and hard about that. I am further away from upgrade than that (until we get those magic ATR's, that is!?!?!??) and I have no intent of going there even if we get shutdown and I can keep half my longevity.

You gotta do what you gotta do at the end of the day. Bottom line, all regionals are what they are. This one is just at the bottom of the hill that the race is leading to. I really don't think XJT is going anywhere anytime soon. Especially if they are giving you guys a cool new name. ;)

My contempt for this particular group is the attitude of "I know I walked over the back of a bunch of furloughed guys to get here, but they really don't care anymore and I am just here to get my 1,000 PIC and get out." First of all, that attitude has created this S*@t show in the first place. And two, Southwest and American are not going to be ringing your phone off the hook once you write down 1,000 hours of PIC turbine on your resume.

Anyway, rant over.

So is it me or isn't this whole GoJet bashing getting old? I don't work for TSA nor GoJet but why are we still stuck on what happen in the past? Not looking for any flamebait here but seriously. I am highly aware about the state of outsourcing flying to the regionals and flying bigger airplanes for puke wages. In my own opinion, all regionals have their own issues. Some are better with respect to having contracts and what not but what is the real problem in this industry? As mainline flying starts to shrink, the possibility of being stuck at a regional is not far fetched.

Who cares where somebody works. Do the furloughed jet for jobs United guys catch slack and flamebait for working at GoJet? My whole point being, I am pretty sure this industry has way other problems then to worry about where somebody works.

I happen to work for arguably one of the worst, pathetic and embarrassing regionals to ever operate and yes it is an all turboprop circus. I am biased about not having any jet time because apparently I am looked at differently by some hiring boards. Anybody else see this as another problem? Realistically speaking here, do the GoJet pilots really have problems jumpseating? We can rant and rave all day long on here but who is gonna be the one to deny a jumpseater just because they work for a certain carrier? As a commuter myself, it sucks regardless. I don't care who you work for but you are welcome in my jumpseat. The guy/gal you just denied didn't make it home that night to see his family.

Worked for me

Just the fact that you are calling it a "dilemma" should tell you something.

No they're not. Every time someone like you chooses to use that word, it makes it mean less.

So according to the haters, I am to do the "right thing", sit right seat for 30k a year for then next 5 years and never get out, or do the "wrong thing", go to GoJEt, get my hours and at least 60k a year and have a better chance of moving on. Hmmm. Which one? Once in a while in order to succeed, you need to bet on the underdog. Also, If I was ever denied a JS or confronted about working there, it would not be pretty.

I'll be the guy. I'll be the guy any time you like. If it was wrong 5 years ago it isn't any less wrong now. The guys who stabbed TSA in the back may be gone or they may not, but the knife is still there and the new guys just twist the handle.

I'm guessing you work for Commutair, if that's the case just imagine how you would feel if Commutair management took the money you earn for them and created another airline. Then hired for it and completely circumvented your seniority, then grew said airline.

It should tell everyone something that gojet still has a hard time filling classes in this environment. Is any other regional having any trouble getting people in class?

You can do whatever you want. Maybe you will get ahead by going to Gojet. I won't. Even if it would result in me upgrading to NASA. Why? I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I don't want to be that level of hypocrite.

I still stand for something. You do whatever you feel comfortable with, but if you go to Gojet I don't want to hear any complaining about scope or outsourcing or any of those issues ever again.

Part of the problem or part of the solution.

I would go for it, the bashers are just a vocal few. I wish I had gone years ago. I would have earned ~ $175K more than what I had in the last 5 years. Do you understand how much that is? When the majors start hiring, you will be one of the first in line compared to if you had to stay somewhere for 5 years as a FO.

As for jumpseat commuting, don't even worry about, never had a captain not welcome a GJ pilot on board. Even if you were to buy 4 round trips a month, or one of those all you can fly annual passes, you would still come out way ahead of what a FO makes.

Good luck

It's not about betting on the underdog. Gojet isn't the underdog, they're the scum who are willing to throw everyone else under the bus to get ahead. I will admit, it's always tempting. You can get ahead, but at what cost?
I can't go there for the same reason I can't cheat at a card game. It would be a hollow victory. If you win by cheating, you didn't win. You cheated.

I'm not going to convince you one way or the other but I also don't have to respect cheaters.

And for the record, I'm not worried if it "wouldn't be pretty", on the flight deck of an airplane there's really not much you're going to do about it so you can gate check your threats.

Yeah, only 53,000.

Those who are ignorant to history are bound to repeat it.

GoJet is growing....Can't stop that now. Even Southwest was the black sheep once upon a time. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Just when should I forgive the guy who banged my wife?

So according to you, if there is a big long line, I shouldn't have to wait, I should just jump to the front of the line.

Do whatever you want to. Sell crack if you want to. But you need to live with the consequences.



And I am curious, just what would you do if you were denied a jump seat? I'd LOVE to see that.

I don't believe for a second that you have gotten a call for a street captain job at that dump of an airline.

It's not even about the whole history of GJ anymore, it's about undercutting other regionals. The pay is already well below of what we deserve, the last thing we need is more clowns going to places like GJ just to get their TPIC time (which I believe will be history in a few years anyway).

Management takes money from me everyday ..... look at our pay scale sport. Ask some our veteran Captains about the ESOP program they totally got screwed over. What is the real problem in this industry? Management!

Scope issues - who are the ones negotiating here.

Jumpseating denial - Go ahead and be that guy. I am glad that you are OK with denying somebody a ride home just because of garbage from the past. How about if you were denied a ride home? What are you going to tell your wife, son/daughter the reason you can't make it home? I don't agree with all that TSA/GoJet crap from the past either but do I care enough to deny somebody a ride home. Heck No!

Did you (buffalo pilot) get the offer for street hire Capt.?