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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1687619)

The first carrier to furlough in the current hiring environment will cease to exist in the future. If TSA starts to furlough, it would be my guess than most FOs would be gone before year's end. Then as Captains were displaced back to FOs, they'd start jumping ship for LCCs or the like.

I know we all like to think otherwise, but management isn't stupid. They know this. Not to mention that if you can lease a 145 and it would cost you less per seat to fill it than a 175/700, the powers that be WILL utilize it. Mama United likes to put on a facade that they care about perform but let's all be 100% honest here. United couldn't care less about it as long as people keep buying tickets. They showed this during the winter months by canceling an obscene amount of flying. The only reason its tracked, in my opinion, is to help other carriers underbid but that's not the current environment. If it starts getting competitive again, TSA and Air Wis are in trouble...but this is a hiring free-for-all. Republic and Mesa, the typical underbidding companies, are focusing on Ejet hiring. As more 50 seaters come off lease, they will get even cheaper to fly which means any business saavy company can swoop in and fly them for next to nothing. Remember, Hulas is an Ivy League graduate. He may not be the nicest fellow to run an airline, but he surely isn't incompetant. He wants to make more money for himself and folding an operation would take a huge chunk away from his pocketbook.

Outsourcing its best performing stations to Envoy proves UAL could care less about performance and customer service.

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Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1687456)

A DC9 is built a hell of a lot tougher than any RJ and IIRC Delta tore those thing down quite a bit and refurbished them to keep em going.

The 9s that NWA was pulling out of the desert were a mess, and breaking down all the time. But they were cheap. You could pull one out of the desert, update it, and put hushkits on it for around $12 million an airplane vs buying a new one for 30-35 million for the same number of seats.

You can do the same with these 145s and 200s in the desert too, its just a function of whether it is worth it vs a new 170 or 900.

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Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 1687471)

Lol! First of all I'm comparing the erj with crj7 and 175 they're all plastic. DC9 was a different animal.

In the 90s and up to when gojets was started Tsa was a big and successful operation, don't know why anyone would think they would close shop. Times are different now, I'm not saying they'll get rid of the pilots(we have furlough protection) but they will get rid of the planes. And not because they want to but because they will no longer be a viable option. At a certain point our performance will go way down to where United will bring us back to 19 planes or worse. At that point we'll be on life support till the MRJ shows up.:o

Right now United is too busy parking ExpressJet airplanes. Heard we are still looking at new airframes but can't find any in good condition at rates the company likes.

We're OK for the next five years. Outside of that it gets interesting. I expect there will be huge structural changes at TSA in the long term driven by pilot staffing and cost issues.

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1687638)

Outsourcing its best performing stations to Envoy proves UAL could care less about performance and customer service.

So they do care? :)