Easy on the bath salts, no one said it is easy, but it is happening. Being well-rounded doesn't always mean you are perfect. Why do they hire folks with no or low TPIC or failures? Ironically, they have success in the major training environment. There s no formula of hours or record of perfection requirement.

You want West coast, and can move anywhere? I work at Horizon, and can offer this information:

- I've worked here 3 years, I'll very likely be offered an upgrade sometime this coming year. The company is planning 90 upgrades and 170-ish new hires in 2015, and I'm 50-something from the most junior Captain.

- You'd have your choice of several bases. All very much West coast.

- The pay is more than you'd make at many other regionals. Open time is frequently offered at 200%, with a 4-hour minimum. Our SAP system lets you drop to the minimum if you want maximum days off. I use a text alert system, and when I woke up this morning there were 6 alerts for 200% for today already. At my rate, that's $345 for showing up and flying 2 short legs. My annual income for the 3 years I've been here has been 34k, 48k, and I'm at 53k for this year so far. I usually work as little as possible, and only pick something up if it's too easy to turn down.

Wow, I'm sincerely impressed. That's unheard of for regional FO's.

Maybe unheard of at the bottom feeders.

Save it. I live in base, see my family lots, and have pretty good QOL. Not everything is about a regional you hate.

Did I say anything about that?

Simply stating not all regionals pay $29 an hour second year.

Classy. Stop biting faces bro and accept the fact that a lot of us will be making $59/hr second year.

Or one you failed out of. Why else do you think he gets so sensitive when pass rates are mentioned?

That's awesome bruh. But looks like the quick upgrade express is stalled out on the tracks. I have friends who are 2013 hires bailing to CPZ and PSA.

Get off my jock bruh. Your homeboy is saying sim instructors expect a 50-60% pass rate since the FAA had to STEP IN and modify the training to prevent people not qualified sitting in Mesa cockpits. Dem the facts jack.

But but but....JETS! You don't have jets! Oh and seeing as this thread is GJT vs Mesa, you don't have shiny super heavy regional JETS! :rolleyes:

Then why am I still seeing captain bid awards in my inbox???

My dad is better than your dad.... LOL

Do everyone a favor. Spend less time giving your recruiters an old fashioned and more time fixing your disaster that is a contract.

You see that's the problem. You all want the regionals to improve so you can become content and spend the rest of your careers flying 50 seaters for OK wages. I want to see a huge catastrophe, an all out disaster, where the regionals can't staff and are dealt a fatal blow, forcing mainline to take the flying back.

So yeah, bring on the disaster. There will come a day when the regionals reach the end of the rope and start to die off, and we need to let it happen. The last thing we need to do is give pilots a reason to stay and make a career out of this mess that mainline management created. I know it sucks right now but it's better in the long run.

1 guy, 6 girls, boom!

Don't fail if they "ask" you to resign before the checkride. Real question is how many start and how many make it to the line.

My class of 20, two couldn't cut the mustard in the sim. One went to Gojet, other last I heard pdt.
Mesa does not want you to fail, they really don't. I hear horror stories at PSA. If you went to ALL ATPS and did well there in the fast pace environment, Mesa will be a walk in the park. I keep hearing captains in the crew room talking about newhires who can't fly worth a damn. Captains wondering how these guys made it past ioe, let alone the sim! So I doubt many are failing.
My own point of view is that these bad apples need mentoring in a stress free environment and be groomed into excellent pilots. Difference between someone who is considered good vs bad is how much time they required, in this environment. Regionals like Mesa cannot afford to let pilots go that can be made into good pilots.

And If your a captain, your also a flight instructor, and you also need to be able to fly single pilot if needed. If you can't or won't, you have no business being a captain.

Exactly. CRM is overrated. Why not just put a monkey in the right seat to hold charts and pick bed bugs out of your hair. Also, being able to read and WRITE in English is also overrated.

You have a tendency only to pick those facts which support your position. By the time YOU hear the "facts" they are already distorted and exaggerated. You add your own little spin to them to push them just a little further out there and then try to make out they're accurate.

The hard numbers show Mesa has hired around 265 pilots this year up to the end of October. 36 employee numbers are missing in that 265, meaning TOTAL retention is around 86%. of the 14% attrition among new hires, some are bound to be for reasons not related at all to training. But let's say all of those 36 people left because of training issues, that makes Mesa's pass rate 86%. In reality, it's very likely higher than that.

By the way, I didn't include new hires after the end of October, because most of them are still in training and thus probably haven't had an opportunity to fail yet. So I didn't want those numbers to inflate the pass rate if at all possible.

You can quote your 50-60% pass rate all day long based on anecdotes and exaggerated locker room talk but they don't match up with the truth.

Is that the drunk guy from transformers??

Cool story bra. Too bad you don't get what I'm saying.

The FAA caught on to the 'bust your way online' training method. They changed the rules. Now sim instructors are saying 50-60% will pass now that the "second chancies" game is up.

AKA 40-50% need a second chance to pass the ride.

Get on my level son.

Stop saying "bra" and "bro" are you and retarded (handy capable) surfer??

Yo bro. Let's be respectful and keep this thread on topic.

Your bra,
FB

Roger that bro.. Bra..

No thanks.

You should've left your first comment up there. Editing is for wusses.

Merry Xmas everyone!

I think you're making some pretty hefty assumptions here and thus, I find your estimates suspect.

G J would never waste money paying for a monkey when it can put a pilot in there at half the cost. Monkeys require government inspections and compliance with ethical treatment of animals; pilots, not so much. When the monkey is sick he can't fly, the G J pilot had better work in spite of his serious illness or he will be fired. Monkey food is expensive, pilots will fly for peanuts or have to buy their own food. With monkeys G J has to pay the entire cost of health care; the pilot will pay 5000 out of his $19000 yearly pay plus another 3000+ for deductable. The monkey won't pay for his own uniform; the G J pilot will pay most of his own. The monkey requires money for housing; the G J pilot will get a second job or borrow from his family to subsidize his housing cost. The costs for the monkey are there even if snow cancels a couple days of flying; the G J pilot works without cancelation pay. The G J pilot will pay 300 a year for his family to sit standby for 3 days trying to get on a flight. The monkey requires less retraining than the G J pilot.

Talk to your boy prior121.

I don't know how I missed this one.

ATP Flight School is a giant joke, true story. This game would be far better off without them.

My flight school wouldn't hire ATP students as instructors. Yet regionals? I guess when the fountain is dry.

I agree that ATP is a complete con and a giant disservice to professional aviation. I could go on rant after rant on how it does very little to prepare its students for anything other than the absolute minimum standard. I'm not even going to get into the wonderful indentured servitude program they offer.

On the other hand, to completely deny any candidate primarily because they went to ATP without evaluating their personal knowledge and abilities is petty. I know a few guys who went there. After talking with and flying with them, it was clear that they were very intelligent and obviously studied hard on their own because they were better than many of the CFI Univeristy (ERAU) instructors that I'd flown with.