Tsa, gojet, endeavor or republic
 

Thanks in advance for all of the insight. I'm a high time flyer returning to the 121 world and need to build some recent time. I have job offers from all above airlines. What are the thoughts, hopefully I'll be there less than 2 years. Thanks again!!

Which devry university campus is the best? But endeavor.

Go to Republic. You'll love it there.

Endeavor
Unless you live in base at another.

Endeavor no question

Psa furr sure


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Don't come to Republic unless you Iike being abused! You will regret your decsion if you come here!

Endeavor if you don't have the 121 time for a quick upgrade. Otherwise TSA or GoJets.

Tsa has shortest upgrades. Go to where you don't have to commute.

Any airline that has a direct entry program has the quickest upgrade lol. So tsa and PSA.


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Gojet is abusive to pilots
Republic is in a downward spiral
TSA is on the rise
Endeavor just now starting to see a positive trend/highest paid

Endeavor. Go to a wholly owned regional (Endeavor, Envoy, PDT, PSA) airline.

The contract carriers don't have the backing of a major to prop them up when they start shrinking through attrition. It's hitting Republic now, but it won't be long before more independent regionals are asking their mainline carriers for flight reductions because of inability to staff.

I'd expect the trend of mainline and wholly owned regionals taking back flying from contract carriers to grow. You'd be better off at Endeavor when this shakeup and inevitable consolidation occurs.


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If your planning on staying forever then go wholly owned. If you want to get hired by a major don't go to a wholly owned.

Wholly owned is the only way to go. Compass, Republic, CommutAir have all requested to have their block hour reduced because they cant staff the flying. Mesa has a shortage of F/As leading to many cancellations and Envoy is having to cover some of the flying...

What about skywest?

Skywest has the largest number of regional pilots. I'd say they are too big to fail. If they start struggling to staff, the mainline partners would probably step in and bail them out because they provide so much lift.


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Not in the same category.

GoJet and TSA are owned by the sane holding company and only a year ago GoJet was the place to be while TSA was slowly dying. If GoJet crews aren't being treated well now TSA will mostly be soon to follow.

Endeavor as a wholly owned is risky. Ask any former Comair or current Eagle pilot.





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A year ago TSA was slowly dying?! In early 2013, TSA added 7 airplanes to the certificate and upgrade times dropped to around a year and a half. Upgrades were that way until the new flying was announced at the end of 2014. Where did you get that perpection?

This makes no sense. Sure if you want a shot at working for AA specifically within 2-3 years after starting, an AA wholly owned is probably not the best, but guess what? You're probably not getting hired at a major in 2-3 years anyway, especially if you go to a stagnant or shrinking contract regional with indefinitely long upgrade times. Go to a wholly owned, upgrade, get your apps out to other majors and keep that flow or guaranteed interview in your back pocket.

Winner, winner chicken dinner!!

Sure, majors will hire from carriers that do not feed their hubs that would be bad business. They will ravage the ranks of the non wholly owned carriers first before destroying their own feed. They will restrict Flow/Pref interviews at wholly owned to a trickle to prevent the pilots they have from moving on in hopes of being able to feed their hubs. If you think the wholly owned is a perfect answer it is not. It is almost a guarantee that you will limit your ability to move to a major by 1/3 once the music stops. IMHO

While our contract still sucks management has been treating us alot better than the years past. Finally they figured out they need to treat people with respect or they'll lose us.

We are short staffed but have a LOA out for picking up open time trips at 200% pay protected. Not sure how long that will last but it's making people a decent amount of extra money per month.

Who do you fly for?

This hurts my brain. Why would a Legacy have any interest in bringing you to fly their Airbus when there is a shortage of guys flying crappy dash 8s and CRJs? As it's said if you want to stay at a regional forever go wholly owned. The flow arrangements are only good for current guys with years seniority a new guy will wait forever.

Don't you call my Dash crappy! Lol actually if you are worried about getting stuck, PDT isn't a bad place to be. I took a chance when there was no hope here almost 3 years ago, and I have honestly enjoyed my time here. Now I am upgrading and I couldn't be more excited about and content with my job. I feel bad for some of you that seem so unhappy...

But most large FFD regionals contract for all 3 legacies so hiring wholly owned or not they are still depleting their regional feed. It might make sense for the legacies in the future to only hire from other legacies' wholly owned. Either way, you're probably not getting hired at a legacy without left seat time anytime soon. So why go to a place like RAH only to get stuck in the right seat with a crap contract then it folds and you have to start over again at a wholly owned.

I think your assessment of Endeavor is very inaccurate or dated at best. Before I start, you will see from my previous posts about Endeavor that i was one to steer candidates away from Endeavor as little as a year ago. I could not recommend my own company then even though doing so might have benefited me in seniority. Now, however, I can recommend new hires to Endeavor as it is an entirely different company with the new management. It's actually a good place to work, extremely well run compared to before, and the best paid, especially for new hires who will make 45-50k year one!

As for Delta dumping us like Comair......no way!! I used to think that before but not now. They would have done it already-instead, they are paying an additional $30 some million per year to make the place reliable and grow it again. They have put so much money into it, and our performance now shows the benefits of DAL's investment. They control the product-Richard can make policy changes with as little as a phone call; something he can't do anywhere else. The days of cheap feed are over-the future is quality feed-still at a lower price than doing it at mainline.

If you want a good company with best pay and maybe an interview at Delta in the future, come to Endeavor. If you want fast upgrade or to live in a base not served by Endeavor, go elsewhere.

Where do you live? Avoiding a commute (or at least avoiding a difficult commute) is the key. That said if you were going to move in base I would.....

1. TSA (1. Because I work here ;) 2. Good management/Pilot group 3. Growth/upgrade)
2. Endeavor (1. Highest Paid 2. Wholly owned 3. Lots of 900s 4. Future w/Delta?)
3. GoJet (1. New 900s 2. Fairly quick upgrade)
4. Republic (1. Fly 175s)

We are overwhelmed right now with all the growth right now at TSA. However, with your 121 time upgrade would be very quick for you here. If I had to make the choice between the 4 you listed right now I would choose TSA again, but only because I couldn't bring myself to move to any of Endeavors bases otherwise with the retention bonus it would be tough not to go to Endeavor (They weren't offering that when I was making my decision). Ive met a lot of GoJet guys that are good guys, but they will always have that reputation (similar to PSA right now) And just do your research on Republic. Morale is very low there for a reason.

I would also reach out to Compass and/or Skywest.

Well, here is what the Republic pilots think of someone coming there. They don't sound happy and looks like there is labor strife on the horizon. Probably not a place to go.

RAH Contract | Teamsters Local 357

The one. The only. GoJetzzzzz.

Endeavor for sure

Take the airline with the shortest commute otherwise, all things being equal, Endeavor.

Wow, thanks for the great info. It sounds like TSA and Endeavor would be the two places to go all things being even. Republic would offer the best location option, however I'm very concerned about the management/union relationship.

Thanks again

It's scary when their own pilots are saying don't come! I'd go to Endeavor take the extra cash and see how it plays out when the bonuses stop! Besides that good people and for the most part management is good too!

VP of Flight Ops today told the New Hire class that the company expects the upgrade time at 9E to drop to 3-3.5 years for New Hires. He also said that they are 1-3 weeks away from announcing a new deal with Delta for a guaranteed interview. Do whatever makes you happy, just wanted to pass the info along.

I had offers from about 4 different carriers, friends at all of them, and spoke to all of their chief pilots. After a bit of research, I went with TSA, and haven't looked back. It's been great. In my class, were three Express Jet FOs, and a Republic FO all moving over since the upgrade time was going to be years at their companies. TSA has been great, and thought it was one of the best training programs I have seen outside of the military. I highly recommend it.. PM me if you have any questions. I can get you in touch with a few people to ask questions of.. Not just rumors in here..

Compass is no longer the hot ticket eh?

If the Teamsters wanted RAH pilots to have a new CBA, they would have a new CBA. Maybe they should have another assessment and go golfing in Vegas with Hoffa?