What is the Deal at Gojet for Cancelations?
 

Here are the regional controllable cancelation numbers at United, followed by Departartures on-time and arrivals within 14. I had heard that Republic was canceling flights but year to date Republic is 9 points higher than Gojet which is G7? Then I see that Gojet is only getting 38% of its flights out on time?:

ACF D:0 A:14
EV 99.93 % YV 77.45 % YV 87.66 %
OO 99.86 % EV 75.53 % UA 83.60 %
C5 99.86 % S5 75.36 % S5 83.05 %
S5 99.75 % OO 67.01 % EV 82.93 %
AX 99.59 % C5 66.02 % OO 76.29 %
YV 99.28 % UA 64.00 % YX 73.91 %
YX 98.12 % YX 63.76 % AX 73.25 %
G7 89.25 % AX 63.29 % C5 72.34 %
UA - G7 38.40 % G7 47.85 %

The Delta Numbers are similar with the Republic Airline (Shuttle) at 99.9 year to date and GoJet at 89.5 and on time at 41%:

ACF D:0 A:14
9E 100.00 % 9E 78.70 % DL 90.00 %
EV 100.00 % OO 76.20 % 9E 87.00 %
OO 99.90 % EV 76.20 % EV 86.20 %
S5 99.90 % DL 73.60 % S5 84.50 %
CP 99.20 % S5 73.00 % OO 84.20 %
G7 89.50 % CP 65.40 % CP 79.90 %
DL - G7 41.00 % G7 50.10 %

I had no idea it is so bad there. Is it because they have no pilots to fly the planes? Is that why they are offering bonuses of $15000? Are the pilots conducting some type of job action we have not heard about?

Delta and United are not going to put up with 11% of the flights being canceled and 38% on time departures/40% arrivals. They will cancel the contracts.

The Gojet thread and the recruiters make things sound great with 300% overtime pay. Can someone tell me if they really have people showing up for classes there and how many they have per class? No new hires equals no upgrades! No upgrades means the quick upgrade they promise could best be termed "wishful thinking".

I currently have the chance to fly for Skywest and Gojet. The promises that Gojet makes beat those of Skywest but can Gojet deliver with no new hires, or are they getting new hires and all the captains are leaving, that would give a quick upgrade. Also, if Gojet loses a contract there goes 1/2 their flying. Or if Gojet goes Bankrupt they will not be able to reorganize but will have to shutdown, won't they. Reorganization doesn't bring you more pilots.

From what I have been told and have seen the word is out on how bad Gojet treats people which is why nobody will go there?

Those are my concerns. Can some Gojet people set me straight and explain why any of the items listed above are factually incorrect or my reading of them is flawed? How about you new hires, will the quick upgrades happen? When do you get the bonuses? Do the bonuses adequately compensate you for the lower pay than Skywest, the profit sharing, the extra 1000 into your retirement at Skywest?

I'm ready to listen. Gojet is closer to me and their planes are shinny. Talk me into Gojet!

omg *shakes head and grabs popcorn*

From what all I've read on APC over the last 6 months, I doubt anyone is going to try and convince you to take GoJet over SkyWest unless they're trolling you

So this is what happened. TSH who owns G7, compass, and Trans states is making a system wide move to a Lufthansa scheduling and dispatch system. On December 1st Gojet made a move to the new system flat out. The biggest issue is that G7 was the US launch customer and there have been many software issues.

The pilots are getting excited because there is rumors of a new TA, but also getting frustrated because of the new system. Entire crews have been stranded and scheduling g has no idea where they are. Crews are showing up to the airport and being delayed due to not having paperwork. Pilots are timing out due to delays. This month has been a Clusterf*ck. No doubt.

I have heard that Compass will be the next TSH carrier to move to Lufthansa, but it is not confirmed.

Today an email came out saying they are not going to lose their flying due to one terrible month

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Are you sure these are the YTD numbers? With S5 performance that good, why would Delta be suing them? These must be for the month.

The numbers are recent but they must only be for the last month or 2. They say year to date but when does their calculation year start. Since they are both government contractors they might be based upon the government's fiscal year.

So lets assume they are only for the last month. What if the problems continue for another month or 2? Does Gojet have enough pilots? How can they say upgrade will be in 12 to 18 months if they have no growth unless the top half of the seniority list is mostly gone in 12 to 18 months?

Going with the New Scheduling System Explanation above: If I were Delta or United I would be asking, "What type of company makes a major scheduling change like this without first running the new system along side the old system? What type of company switches to a new system without keeping the old system up and ready to go in case the new system does not work?" Will United or Delta really be wanting to give additional flying to a company that just did this? Is the 12 to 18 month upgrade projection based upon the hope of getting more flying from Delta and/or United which may not come after this "fiasco"?

Yes, 20 more planes at Gojet would make a huge difference while nobody would notice at Skywest. But can Gojet show that they can get the pilots so that they can get the contracts? Please tell me, is anyone showing up for their classes? How many are showing up. Could someone who has been there 4 months to a year let us know how many people they have below and how much they have moved up? I'm heard that Gojet does not put out a list except for maybe once a year?

Please, talk me into Gojet. A friend might have a recruitment bonus riding on the power of you all to convince me.

It's GoJet, enough said. Look at their entire history and you'll see it's not just the last couple months. Albeit, it migh be a little worse. I can't even count the times my deadhead on GoJet turned a 14 hour or so overnight into a 10 or 11 hour overnight.

Where are these numbers posted?

Everyone has delays, but these numbers are crazy bad. I can't imagine that people are not getting fired over this (VP of Ops has responsibility over this I think.)

I hear the TA rumors are false.

Why won't anyone tell me how many people are going to classes? Are they even having classes because nobody is showing up? If you are in class take a 2 minute break and give us some numbers and facts.

Come on Gojet, I'm willing to listen! This is your chance! Tell me, why go to Gojet?

Are you a special kind of stupid? Gojet over Skywest? I've heard nothing but horror stories about GoJet, and I cant stand skypest either, but Skywest has a reputation for treating its employees very well. Go to Mesa long before you ever consider GoJet.

I hope you are not holding your breath when you are waiting to be convinced to go to GoJet. It is one of the worst.

"... Go to Mesa long before you ever consider GoJet."
I have few friends who went from Mesa to GoJet.....but not the other way around.

Also, "I hope you are not holding your breath when you are waiting to be convinced to go to GoJet. It is one of the worst."

Please don't put me in the position of being responsible for defending GoJet because that would be, for me, going into a gunfight with no ammunition. I am merely asking for information.

I am respectfully asking any of the Gojet Pilots / New Hires / Management Personnel / Chief Pilot / VP of Operations / Base managers / Check airmen to step up to the plate and:

1. Give me facts. Class sizes, # of classes, etc. Actual pay people are getting. Why is the bonus better than the higher pay rates of the other airlines? Do they even pay the bonus or will that be taken away because it violates their contract? When is an upgrade really going to happen?

2. Give me a thoughtful analysis. So far there has been silence with nobody answering these questions. It is still early for this thread.

I am listening as are other pilots. Why should any pilot who actually has a choice go to Gojet? Give me something to work with. Compare and contract. I don't care about how GJ was formed. I don't care much about the 100s of pilots GJ fired in the past for things like making a joke. I don't care about the pilots that Gojet fired merely for having to take FMLA leave because of an illness or an ill family member. I am going to assume that that is all in the past and that Gojet has learned by their mistakes. It may not be true but call me naive. Tell me about my future or the future of other pilots who are available to go to GoJet. Why Gojet? Make a case for Gojet!

I did send you a PM

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I think you've convinced yourself that you want to go to GoJet. Just go. No one here is going to defend GoJet.

What a cockamamy thread to start anyway, why does anyone have to convince the OP to go anywhere? Do some research on your own digging through the hundreds of threads started in the last year about where you should go. What a waste of cyberspace this place has become.

Let's hope not and if history is any indication this thread should be closed by the end of the weekend.

Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

Obviously someone does not want the subject addressed. I have received 2 PMs. One is a number to call for information and the other says it is not as bad there as I have heard. Neither one answers my questions. I don't need to talk to a recruiter, I don't trust them.

I want someone to post numbers and facts and to make those numbers and facts available for public comment. If I am told that gojet is filling classes of 20 twice a month I want some else to be able to come back and say, " I am in class and the real numbers are ___".

For example we now have an explanation of why only 38% of the flights depart on time. An individual may have pointed the 38% out as the end of GoJet but being open to other comments I have the bigger picture.

Another person has stated that I already made up my mind that I am going to Gojet. I don't know where he gets that. I have merely asked for information. I asked politely and respectfully. I don't believe a single posting has told me a reason to go to Gojet but there must be one reason because some people are going.

I don't know why the thread would be deleted. I pointed out the statistics and asked for information. Something more than "Gojet Sucks" I don't want to go to an airline that won't be there in 6 months.i don't think anyone would.

Give me positive facts. I have posted several simple questions.

Maybe nobody can give you facts because no one is in class?

I know that G7 is the first of them, the Lufthansa suite of products will be used across the board at TSH.

Really it is just a matter of who does what and when.


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I work for GoJet.
Class sizes truthfully I have no idea, I know they are hiring, and some classes are large and some are not. All I know on the topic.

Gojet is not the best airline to work for, but a regional is a regional. When I was hired last year I had 16 people in my class, 8 are still at G7. Of those that left 2 failed training, and 6 found greener pastures, the 6 that left none work for another regional.

When I finished IOE, I had reserve until the bid opened then I was awarded a line.

December I was awarded 90+ hours and 15 days off.
I can bid for lower and many do, because any open time pickup is 150%

A guy in my newhire class has his 1000 hours and was awarded an upgrade in 11 months.

Truthfully scheduling will always try to screw you some way.

TA SOON= truth



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These have got to be numbers from this month. Like others have said, G7 switched to the Lufthansa scheduling/dispatch/etc software on Dec 1. They had mass cancellations the first couple days due to the change, and still having issues. From what I've seen/heard of this lufthansa suite of *******, it's German engineering at its finest. :rolleyes:

Hopefully they have the bugs worked out before Trans States makes the switch...

Because you can judge a pilot group based on performance numbers...

What the h$ll has happened to this industry/generation? Now we have to convince pilots to go somewhere? It's either going to work for you or not. Make a decision on the information that's available and what's going to work best for your situation. There's already plenty of information out there about every regional