GoJet Contract
 

I hear from a friend at GoJet that numerous Pilots are not even planning on voting for or Against their new TA. This would be a horrific abdication of personal responsibility for their group and Regional Pilots at large. Only a Sheep lets others make decisions for them. No Pilot In Command or aspiring Pilot in Command, ie,. SIC should be allowed to make decisions in the CockPit/BoxOffice if they can't even thoughtfully consider their Contract and make the effort to mouse click their approval or Disapproval.......

food for thought........

GoJet will still have to offer MASSIVE NEW HIRE BONUSES to attract First Officer Candidates.....$36/hour alone will not cut it....many other regionals are getting to $36...

What do the Rank an File Get?

Cmon Gojet......GO GET!!!

I know several who are voting no because of some of the contract language.

I'm not hearing this at all from the pilot group. Everyone thinks we can do better. There will always be those guys who don't care but from my unscientific poll, a vote of NO should be the majority. Vote NO NO NO.

Straight up, this contract is trash. Nothing industry standard about it. I don't know anyone who's NOT going to vote on this TA so stop spreading rumors. Union is already going around trying to scare everyone saying a no vote will be disastrous with a possible consolidation into TSA. Not sure what all that means for us, but seriously, it's hard to agree to the language in this contract. Not even remotely competitive or industry standard. The contract has more holes than swiss cheese. We do the same work as our sister companies, fly larger aircraft than TSA, yet are not held to the same contract standard. NO.

Worst case scenario and you're merged... TSA has better pay and contract. I'd tell them to "bring it".

If you consider how the airline got it's start, that's not really surprising at all.

(Couldn't resist. It's been SO LONG since I checked a gojet thread!)

+1. Bring it. It's all scare tactics. This contract has more holes than Spaghetti-o's. Vote No.

This is funny.. Gojet created to get around TSA contracts, now merged back in? lol.

Depending on how they merge the lists merging with TSA might not be a bad thing, a lot of street captains at TSA

We don't hire street captains. Only cqfo's and most of them are already upgraded.

Right I misspoke. If they merged with hire date with no fence it would have a huge impact. All hypothetically of course.

Well isn't that ironic...

With 24 hours left to go, the vote was at 85%, so I think by the end, most will have voted.

ALL G7 Pilots: Choose Wisely..
 

With less than a day left, I am urging that all GoJet Pilot should vote..

Also, if you have not done so, pls ask questions & make an informed decision..

Then, ask yourself a few questions..

1) Will this improve my quality of life..?
2) How much more money will I make as a result of this TA.?
3) What do I give in return for it..?
4) Can I live with it for the next 5-8 yrs..?
5) How does this TA compare to our sister companies & other regionals..?
6) What do industry piers & other airlines pilots think about it..?
7) Who are the people who are pushing it hard & voting yes for this TA..??
8) What are they going to get out it if this TA passes..

And most importantly, Why are so many Pilots at my airline saying that this is not a good TA & voting NO..?

Personally, I would say only one thing, this TA deserves to be voted down for many reasons, primarily because of its weak language & lack of strong language for protections....

We already have a weak contract, we DON'T need another one which is even weaker than the existing contract...

TO ALL MY FELLOW G7 PILOTS...

PLS CHOOSE WISELY..
YOUR NEXT 5-8 years depend on how you vote today...

Buzz on the interwebs is it's a majority NO vote from the group. I don't blame a lot of the guys, I was a NO vote if I was still there. You can only polish a turd enough times.

DH

I believe that Gojet is going down and I don't think that anyone can stop it at this point. They have a history of mistreating their employees. For months their performance had been horrible. On top of that United does not like the CRJs so they are ending contracts. Not just Gojet. Are the rumors true of Delta taking away the flying? I don't know but would it really surprise anyone? Do you really think the DO would move to a small cargo outfit if he had a choice? I would guess that either he had to leave because he was the one they blamed (he was only partly responsible) or he didn't want to be here when it collapsed. I probably have more to lose if G7 goes down then anyone but without major changes they should be put to sleep. The only way to save it would be to make it impossible for them to abuse people like they have. That would take a contract with teeth. The TAed contract has no teeth, saying it does does not make it so! That would take the unionizing of the flight attendants (I've always hated unions but Gojet has given them no choice.). The union and company are trying to sell the contract by saying the company will no longer be able to abuse people without consequeses. It seems that they are telling us that we forced the company to mistreat us in the past. (Why did you force me to beat you!)
Also, look who the new DO is. He became chief pilot a year ago and now he is the DO. Gojet needed someone with experience who could turn the place around but instead they chose someone who has no idea how to do that job but who will have to learn on the job. An experienced proven performer would cost money but they did not want to spend money. indicates they are only thinking it will be for a short time. Best chance to save Gojet is to vote the TA down.

SB is gone?

He left for Southern end of last year.

DH

Ya and the current DO tried to get out of there too. Everyone at the top I'm sure is trying to bail I'm positive. Well the ones that can.
...get those resumes shined up, go to every open house and pilot workshop available if you are not doing that now you are Craaaazzzy!!!
Vote no on this worthless contract on your way out the door...nobody is going to be at G7 5-8 yrs from now anyways.

Unfortunate but true..
 

As the title says, it's unfortunate but true..

This TA has been passed...

Sorry to hear........what was gained of significance other than 1st year FO pay?..........and passed by a 2 to 1 margin with 95% participation I hear...............crazy......

Crazy indeed...

Can someone post a summary here of the new TAs "improvements"

Fttttt...So frustrated. Anyone hiring? I need a new job :mad:

2-1 is a serious margin... 66% in favor with a 95% turnout.

So would any of you guys recommend Go Jet for someone who is 2 months out from class?

Pay rate increase – Captains 7+% pay raise for CA’s, year one starts at $67.39
First Officers 1st year $36.50 can be increased to $41.00 without renegotiating, $11.75 increase over present pay
rates. Minimum Day Pay Credit – 4 hours per day
Cancellation Pay – Once notified 100% guaranteed
Premium Pay – Open Time 150% Flagged Trips 200%
Extension and Junior Assignment Pay – clarified language, JA only twice a month not 3 Deadhead Pay – 75 %

now in 2 years 100 %
Taxi Pay – 15 min (up from 12) or actual block whichever is greater
Customs Pay – 18 min NEW!
Non Routine Flight Operations (NRFO) Pay
Flight Pay based on Marketing Times not Average Segment Times, Marketing
Times are published by legacy to DOT. This will result in a 3-6% per leg increase in pay over current pay
Drug Testing Pay –
Holiday Pay – 150% six holidays
Per Diem – Increase from $1.60 to $1.80 up to $1.90
Minimum Monthly Guarantee(MMG) – 75 hours, Line holders, Reserves, New Hires
New Aircraft Type – Baseball style arbitration. If no agreement goes to an arbitrator, time limit and pay retro to Aircraft entering service.

Greatly expanded Hotel Quality language

SECTION 7 HOURS OF SERVICE
Days Off – Line holder 12 in 31 day month, 11 in a 30 day month Reserve 11
Deadheading – after 14 hour duty day only with pilot concurrence
SECTION 8 SCHEDULING
Bidding Process – Opens on a concrete unmoved day every month
Seniority Open Time(SOT) prior to Final Bid Award, better rules
Reserve will bid PBS
Open Time that is published can be bid and awarded Expanded language on all bidding processes
Commuter Clause – Increased from 2 to 3 occurrences Waiver for major airport occurrences
Commuter hotels paid for by the company (Section 26)
SECTION 9 RESERVES
Reserve Lines – Bid through PBS
All are Awarded Long Call
LC Can be converted to SC but only twice a month
Days off can’t be moved without pilots consent
Minimum of 2 days off between Reserve Blocks unless waived
Reserve Assignments – SILO, and FIFO
Reserve availability to be made visible via the web
LC is a 12 hour call out SC is a 2 hour call out Reserve p

So are you guys saying that this is a bad TA that should have been burned down? A quick glance at this and it looks similar to what we have at CPZ

Doesn't look that bad to me... :confused: Am I missing something?

These are the Highlights.....There is some other language buried in the contract that leaves a lot to be desired.

DH

Just some things of note: 4 hour min day with zero on days that start after and finish before a certain time. And I believe it's trip guarantee, not leg by leg.

Yes, see Republic. IE Gojet's future. Industry leading contract followed by...:eek:

It's not industry leading. It's not as good as Compass and not as good as TSA's TA

Ah, that makes sense; minus the uggos (JA, <100% DH, cancel pay once notified (?) ) there are a few things there I wish skyw had (200% open time, customs pay). Devil is in the details.


At 200% I'd be interested in helping out again.

Just so we are clear, the new contract didnt send Republic to bankrupcy. I'm sure their guys can chime in but my understanding of filing bankrupcy is to do what Mesa did, shed unprofitable aircraft. The contract should stay. I think Republic will come back pretty strong after this.

Nothing will tell you more about what life is like at Gojet than this TA passing. The pilots of Gojet are as scared as sheep so that is how they act. Vote for this or we will shut you down and turn the flying over to TSA. Vote for this or we will take Christmas away. If you vote this down it will take 10 years to get a contract. The only good thing is the new pilot uniform for everyone, which is a dress. I think I'm around a size 12.

The pilots spent 4 years without a contract and accepted a whopping 7% raise. Long term disability is capped at 1000 per month. Gojet should have made it 10000 a month because before they will let anyone get long term disability they will terminate them. The Gojet way.

Gojet pilots accepted this because we don't feel we are worthy of getting decent pay, and by accepting it we proved our belief to be correct. In a few months Gojet will again go to the bottom of the pay scale and that is where they will remain for the next 10 years.

We got exactly what we deserve. Why on earth did I think the pilots would vote this down?

If you thought all that, why on earth did you decide to go there in the first place?

Strong? Define good? Mesa went from 210ish planes to what 90 at ch 11 exit? Pncl had how many 300 planes, shrunk to 145? Eagle 305 to 142? Define how history isn't against them. Add the catch 22 of this and pilot staffing.

Size 12, really?

Do you know how bankruptcies work?? The company (nor the union) does not get really any say on what contracts to keep and what to amend/scrap. The creditor's committee has a great deal of say in what happens to various contracts. They will demand that all parties make some cuts and I would be willing to bet the pilot contract will not survive unscathed. I highly doubt they will go back to their old contract, but a 5-10% cut across the board would not surprise me in the least. Creditors will demand that wages are closer to the industry average, and since republic is currently near the top, that only means they will likely go down. (Thanks to pay at Mesa, Envoy, PSA, etc, that are bringing the average down)

RAH will be a stronger company when it emerges from bankruptcy. I have no doubt about that. However, unfortunately, past precedence shows the pilot group will feel some pain.