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moflyer 01-15-2017 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00 (Post 2281620)
If you want PIC time you can go to Piedmont. Our junior captain was hired 6 months ago. We have many guys from Mesa in our classes they are doing great. Many of our captains are making over 100k with overtime pay at 300%. Example picking up just 1 day of flying 4 hr. block get's paid 16 hrs. Some guys are making Airbus Capt. wages picking up OT.

Agree with HF EDV is good option as well depending on where you live. The 900 is a sweet plane.

I have plenty of PIC time , I just don't want to commute anymore. GoJet has a base in STL, which is where we are moving. Also if I know someone that already works there do I put their name on the application so they get the money for referring a pilot?

minimwage4 01-15-2017 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by garrett490 (Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.

Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance.


Wrong answer. Sounds like you are not happy or comfortable with what you have, if you can't be happy with what you have you will never be happy with anything else even a job at a major. I remember at 26 I had it all figured out too. I would strongly look at why you are not happy right now, and the answer should not be because I need to be CA. On that basis you won't be happy at gojet and it's almost guaranteed you will settle for some other crappy job when United doesn't call because you can't take another gojet trip. That's what happens to most DEC.

TalkTurkey 01-15-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by garrett490 (Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.

Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance.

Would someone post this guys DEC ain't-got-time-to-be-an-FO-and-I-know-everything-about-part121-time schedule so I know to stay clear of his wake flatulence?

Flysafeeveryone 01-15-2017 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by garrett490 (Post 2281219)
Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.

Stop lying in the gutter Garrett, stand up and look around. You will see better choices out there than Mesa and Gojet. At Gojet you might be the greatest pilot in the world but if Gojet wants a plane moved and your "greatest pilot in the world" common sense says it is a poor decision then you are suddenly in conflict with them and you will lose one way or the other. Gojet treats their check airman as badly as their other pilots. There is a lot of Stockholm Syndrome going on there with some of the guys too. You can prepare all you want but one day they will want you continue into Ohare, surrounded by thunder storms, with no alternate and no extra fuel rather than divert to South Bend, they may not even say anything but you will remember what happened the last time you diverted. My recommendation, go anywhere else or get out of flying.

Dhood84 01-15-2017 02:05 PM

You're 26.....you've got plenty of time pal. Mesa to G7 would be the most idiotic thing you could do, IMHO. TPIC doesn't really get you ahead anymore, it's luck now a days. Have a little patience, humility and networking skills, those will get you 10X further in this industry over TPIC......just food for thought.

DH

wmupilot85 01-15-2017 02:31 PM

So I heard from someone that G7 is hiring direct entry captains, at your longevity from your current airline, with the bonus. Lies, or truth?

garrett490 01-15-2017 02:46 PM

Bonus and Longevity Program
 
See link pasted below for GoJet's current DEC and FO bonuses and incentives. Quick answer yes you get your longevity pay and $15k in bonus for current 121 E170 or CL-65 type even as a DEC. I'll be looking at $70/hr and $15k in bonuses. $12k for having E170 type and $3k "training bonus" just for going to GoJet.

http://gojetairlines.com/SiteCollect...e%20Rating.pdf

Five93H 01-15-2017 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 2281927)
So I heard from someone that G7 is hiring direct entry captains, at your longevity from your current airline, with the bonus. Lies, or truth?

Holy desperation Batman.

HighFlight 01-15-2017 02:56 PM

Holy hellalottareserve, Robin...


Originally Posted by Five93H (Post 2281944)
Holy desperation Batman.


sky80 01-15-2017 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Five93H (Post 2281944)
Holy desperation Batman.

These regional threads crack me up.

So does that mean the American WO are the most desperate one's out there since they have the biggest bonuses and incentives and Mesa is the least desperate?


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